Finding Cylindrical Points $(r, \theta, z)$ in Range

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The discussion revolves around identifying the section of the cylinder defined by the equation $x^2+y^2=1$ that corresponds to cylindrical coordinates $(1,\theta,z)$, specifically within the ranges $\theta \in [0,\pi]$ and $z \in [-1,1]$. The focus is on understanding how these ranges affect the points on the cylinder.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to apply the cylindrical coordinate relations given the restrictions on $\theta$ and $z$.
  • Another participant suggests finding specific points on the cylinder to illustrate the relevant section, listing coordinates such as $(1,0,-1)$ and $(1,\pi/2,1)$.
  • It is noted that these points correspond to specific $(x,y,z)$ values derived from the cylindrical coordinates.
  • A further suggestion is made to consider additional angles like $\pi/4$ and $3\pi/4$ to gain a better understanding of the geometry involved.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the definition of cylindrical coordinates before applying them to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about how to effectively apply the cylindrical coordinate relations under the given restrictions. There is no clear consensus on the best approach to visualize or interpret the section of the cylinder.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved how the restrictions on $\theta$ and $z$ interact with the cylindrical coordinate equations, and there are indications of varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions involved.

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Hello! (Wave)

How can we find what section of the cylinder $x^2+y^2=1$ corresponds to cylindrical points $(1,\theta,z)$ in the range $\theta$ in $[0,\pi]$ and $z$ in $[ -1,1]$ ?

We have that the cylindrical points are of the form $(r, \theta, z)$ where the following relations hold:

$$x=r \cos{\theta} \\ y=r \sin{\theta} \\ z=z$$

But we cannot use the above relations to use the fact that $\theta \in [0,\pi]$ and $z \in [ -1,1]$, can we? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
But we cannot use the above relations to use the fact that $\theta \in [0,\pi]$ and $z \in [ -1,1]$, can we?
Why can't we consider these restrictions with the equations above?

Find the points with coordinates $(1,0,-1),(1,\pi/2,-1),(1,\pi,-1),(1,0,0),(1,\pi/2,0),(1,\pi,0),(1,0,1),(1,\pi/2,1),(1,\pi,1)$. This should give you the idea of what part of the cylinder is considered.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Why can't we consider these restrictions with the equations above?

Find the points with coordinates $(1,0,-1),(1,\pi/2,-1),(1,\pi,-1),(1,0,0),(1,\pi/2,0),(1,\pi,0),(1,0,1),(1,\pi/2,1),(1,\pi,1)$. This should give you the idea of what part of the cylinder is considered.

$(x,y,z)$ gets respectively the following values:

$$(1,0,-1) \\ (0,1,-1) \\ (-1,0,-1) \\ (1,0,0) \\ (0,1,0) \\ (-1,0,0) \\ (1,0,1) \\ (0,1,1) \\ (-1,0,1)$$

What do we get from that?
 
If you plot these points on top of the cylinder, it should give you the idea of what part of the cylinder is considered. You can also consider points where the middle coordinate is $\pi/4$ and $3\pi/4$ in addition to $\pi/2$. But of course it helps to know the geometric meaning of cylindrical coordinates.

In general, I think that one should not ask a question about applying a concept when one does not know the definition of the concept. One should ask for help with the definition instead (if it is hard to find or understand).
 

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