Finding force from momentum vector

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The discussion centers on calculating the force vector from the momentum vector by differentiating it, with the relationship between acceleration, velocity, force, and momentum being explored. The user initially struggles to determine the time at which the force and momentum vectors align at a 45-degree angle. They report obtaining a force expression of F = 2Bt but face complications when applying the dot product, resulting in a cubic power of time. Another participant suggests that since the force aligns with one axis and the momentum evolves over time, the relationship can simplify the calculations. The conversation emphasizes the geometric interpretation of the vectors and the implications of their alignment on the momentum's behavior.
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Homework Statement
The momentum of a particle is P vector=##\vec A##+(##\vec B##×##t^2##),where ##\vec A## and ##\vec B## are constant perpendicular vectors.The force acting on the particle when its acceleration is at 45° with its velocity is
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F=dP/dt
I calculated force vector by differentiating momentum vector.Since acceleration and velocity vectors are at45°,therefore force and momentum vector are at 45°.But i am not able to find the time at which it will take place.I tried F vector.P vector=FPcos45° but i am not getting from it.I also used that Avector.B vector=0.Help please.
 
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what did you get for force when you differentiated
##
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2
##
and what did you get when you subbed it into this
##
|\vec P||\vec F|cos 45 = \vec F . \vec P
##

edit i did not try the first method
i was wondering
##
\hat A , \hat B

##
be the coordinate axis and since the force always aligned to one of them ...
this method seems lot faster than doing dot product
 
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timetraveller123 said:
what did you get for force when you differentiated
##
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2
##
and what did you get when you subbed it into this
##
|\vec P||\vec F|cos 45 = \vec F . \vec P
##

edit i did not try the first method
i was wondering
##
\hat A , \hat B

##
be the coordinate axis and since the force always aligned to one of them ...
this method seems lot faster than doing dot product
I got ##\vec F##=2##\vec B##t
And by doing ##\vec F##.##\vec P## , a cubic power of t was coming and it was becoming complicated so i need help for the dot product.
And can you explain me which faster method are you talking about.
 
Physics lover said:
I got ##\vec F##=2##\vec B##t
And by doing ##\vec F##.##\vec P## , a cubic power of t was coming and it was becoming complicated so i need help for the dot product.
And can you explain me which faster method are you talking about.
well you know the force is always aligned with ##\vec B## and b and a are perpendicular so you can just call a the y-axis and b the x-axis so the force always points in the x-axis and is growing linearly in time
and for the momentum it starts out in the y-axis since at t=0 it is just a and as time increases it gets more and more component in the x-axis it becomes flatter and flatter and at some point it needs to be 45 degrees to the x axis(force ) what does that imply about the momentum at that point

for dot product
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\vec F = 2t \vec B\\
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2\\
\vec F . \vec P = 2t^3 |B|^2 = \sqrt{A^2 + t^2 B^2}2t|B|\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}
##
many things cancel out
 
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