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The discussion revolves around calculating the force exerted on a 4.50 kg crate suspended by a rope, with its height defined by the equation y(t) = (2.80m/s)t + (0.61m/s^3)t^3. The acceleration is derived from the second derivative of the height equation, resulting in a(t) = 3.66t. The initial force calculation of 65.9 N was incorrect due to neglecting the gravitational force acting on the crate and not properly including units in the differentiation process. The missing gravitational force component was identified as a critical factor in achieving the correct answer. Properly accounting for all forces is essential for accurate calculations in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


A 4.50kg crate is suspended from the end of a short vertical rope of negligible mass. An upward force F(t)is applied to the end of the rope, and the height of the crate above its initial position is given by ##y(t) = (2.80m/s)t +(0.61m/s^3)t^3## What is the force at 4 seconds?

Homework Equations


$$F = ma$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Taking the double derivative to get an acceleration equation:
##y'(t) = (3*0.61) t^2 + 2.80##
##y''(t) = a(t) = (0.61*3*2) t = 3.66t##

## F = 4.50 kg * 3.66 * 4.00s = 65.9 N##

Although MasteringPhysics tells me my answer's wrong, it doesn't give any explanation.
 
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omega5 said:

Homework Statement


A 4.50kg crate is suspended from the end of a short vertical rope of negligible mass. An upward force F(t)is applied to the end of the rope, and the height of the crate above its initial position is given by ##y(t) = (2.80m/s)t +(0.61m/s^3)t^3## What is the force at 4 seconds?

Homework Equations


$$F = ma$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Taking the double derivative to get an acceleration equation:
##y'(t) = (3*0.61) t^2 + 2.80##
##y''(t) = a(t) = (0.61*3*2) t = 3.66t##

## F = 4.50 kg * 3.66 * 4.00s = 65.9 N##

Although MasteringPhysics tells me my answer's wrong, it doesn't give any explanation.
Your last equation says force = mass x acceleration x time. Is that what Newton said?
 
I thought 3.66t would give the acceleration since the original equation gives the jerk.
 
One issue is that you didn't carry the units of the constants through your differentiations. Thus your constant in the last equation should be 3.66 m/s3.

A second issue is that I don't see where the force due to gravity on the crate is taken into account.
 
Ah! Thank you very much. That was the missing piece.
 
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