Finding kernel and range for polynomials transformation

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The discussion revolves around a linear transformation T defined on the vector space of polynomials of degree 3 or less, specifically examining how to determine the bases for its kernel and range, as well as its nullity and rank.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the kernel and range of the transformation, with one participant attempting to derive the kernel by setting T(p) to zero and analyzing the resulting polynomial conditions. Others question the reasoning behind selecting specific equations to derive relationships between coefficients in the range.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the transformation and its implications for the kernel and range. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the coefficients, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to derive the range.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the definition of P3, as participants note that it could refer to either polynomials of degree 3 or less or to a different dimensional space. This has implications for the dimensional analysis of the kernel and range.

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I have troubles arriving at the solution to this question:
Consider the transformation T: P3-->P3 given by:
T(f)=(1-x^2)f '' - 2xf '

Determine the bases for its range and kernel and nullity and rank

Can anyone explain how should i go about finding the bases for its kernel and range??

i get 0 for the nullity, which I assume is wrong??

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Yes, of course, 0 nullity is wrong. A linear transformation has trivial kernel if and only if it is invertible. And differentiation is not invertible.

I am assuming that P3 means the vector space of polynomials of degree 3 or less, which has dimension 4. Some texts use P3 to mean the 3 dimensional vector space of polynomials of degree 2 or less. If that is the case, the same argument works and is simpler.

The kernel consists of all vector in P3, that is all polynomials of the form p(x)= a+ bx+ cx^2+ dx^3, such that T(p)= (1- x^2)p''- 2xp'=(1- x^2)(2c+ 3dx)- 2x(b+ 2cx+ 3dx^2)=2c+ 3dx- 2cx^2- 3dx^3- 2bx- 4cx^2- 6dx^3= -9dx^3- 6cx^2+ (3d- 2b)x+ 2c= 0, for all x. That means we must have -9d= 0 so d= 0, -6c= 0 so c= 0, 3d- 2b= -2b= 0 so b= 0, but there is NO condition on a. Any polynomial of the form tex= a+ 0x+ 0x^2+ 0x^3= a is in the kernel of T. The nullity is 1 and a basis for the kernel is the single constant polynomial {1}.

Since the nullity has dimension 1 and P3 has dimension 4, the range must have dimension 4- 1= 3.

Again, writing p(x)= a+ bx+ cx^2+ dx^3 we have, as before, T(p)= -9dx^3- 6cx^2+ (3d- 2b)x+ 2c. If we write that as -9dx^3- 6cx^2+ (3d- 2b)x+ 2c= i+ jx+ kx^2+ lx^3 then we have -9d= l, -6c= k, 3d- 2b= j, and 2c= i.

From -6c= k we have c= -k/6. Then 2c= i becomes 2(-k/6)= -k/3= i so k= -3i. That is the one condition on i, j, k, and l we have: we can write any vector in the range as i+ jx+ (-3i)x^2+ lx^3= (1- 3x^2)i+ jx+ lx^3. \{1- 3x^2, x, x^3\} is a basis.
 
Sorry to bring this up again but I'm working on a similar probably and I do not understand how you found the range. At the point when you have a system of four equations 9d= l, -6c= k, 3d- 2b= j, and 2c= i, why did you choose the second and fourth equation to work with? Wouldn't the first and third also work?

Such as d=-l/9 then 3d-2b=j becomes 3(-l/9)-2b=j? What I'm trying to understand is how did you end up with k=-3i being the only condition.
 
retracell said:
Sorry to bring this up again but I'm working on a similar probably and I do not understand how you found the range. At the point when you have a system of four equations 9d= l, -6c= k, 3d- 2b= j, and 2c= i, why did you choose the second and fourth equation to work with? Wouldn't the first and third also work?

Such as d=-l/9 then 3d-2b=j becomes 3(-l/9)-2b=j? What I'm trying to understand is how did you end up with k=-3i being the only condition.
3(-l/9)- 2b= 2j does not help you because you still have "b". You want to find necessary relations between i, j, k, and l only. I used the second and fourth equations because they both involve only "c" and so "c" can be eliminated: -6c= k and 2c= i so, mulitplying the last equation by -3, -6c= -3i= k. That is the only pair of equations in which all of a, b, c, and d can be eliminated. I also know that I can only find one condition because I had alread found that the nullity was 1 so the rank must be 4- 1= 3. There can only be one condition to reduce the dimension of 4 to 3.
 

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