Finding Optimal Thickness for 50 MPa Pressure Vessel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal thickness for a pressure vessel subjected to a pressure of 50 MPa. Participants are exploring the governing equations for stress in the context of a homework problem, specifically focusing on hoop stress and longitudinal stress in relation to the vessel's design.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the minimum thickness using the hoop stress equation, arriving at a thickness of 12 mm, but notes this is not the expected answer.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that the weld is part of only the hemisphere, suggesting it is also part of the cylinder, which may affect the governing stress equation.
  • A participant points out that the longitudinal force across the weld is a critical consideration in determining the governing stress.
  • There is a challenge regarding why longitudinal stress would govern if hoop stress results in a greater thickness, indicating a potential misunderstanding or misapplication of the governing equations.
  • A later reply clarifies that the hoop stress does not affect the welded joint, while the longitudinal stress does, suggesting that the longitudinal stress is more relevant for the weld size in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which stress equation should govern the thickness calculation, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or assumptions regarding the weld's role.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of the hoop and longitudinal stress equations, particularly in relation to the welded joint and the specific geometry of the pressure vessel.

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Homework Statement

[PLAIN]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7747/43416215.jpg

The attempt at a solution

I have already solved parts (a) and (b). It's part (c) that I can't get.

To get a minimum thickness at 50 MPa, I thought that the hoop stress equation would govern. Here is my calculation for it:

\sigma = \frac{Pr}{t}

Solving for t, I get:

t = \frac{Pr}{\sigma}

t = \frac{(1200*10^{3} Pa)(0.5m)}{50*10^{6} MPa}

t = 0.012 m

t = 12 mm


However, this is not the answer. The answer takes the longitudinal stress equation as the governing one. Therefore, the solution is half of mine, a thickness of 6 mm.

Why is this so?
 
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But you are assuming that the weld is part of the hemisphere. I believe that it is part of both the cylinder and the hemisphere. If it was only part of the hemisphere, the solution wouldn't have stated that the longitudinal stress governed.
 
The cylinder longitudinal force is the tensile force across the weld.
 
But why would the longitudinal stress govern if the hoop stress results in a greater thickness?
 
Precursor: The cylinder hoop stress does not travel across the welded joint, whereas the cylinder longitudinal stress does. The longitudinal stress governs only for the weld size here. By the way, your pictures are too wide. Please see post https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2937012".
 
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