Finding Partial Derivatives with Independent Variables

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative of a function \( f(x,t) \) with respect to the independent variable \( \dot{x} \). Participants are exploring the implications of treating \( x \) and \( \dot{x} \) as independent variables in the context of total differentials.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the total differential of the function and express confusion regarding the dependence of \( f_x \) and \( f_t \) on \( \dot{x} \). Some question the validity of concluding that the partial derivative results in \( f_x \) without further justification.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the conclusion that the answer is \( f_x \). Some guidance has been offered regarding relevant topics for further reading, but there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the assumptions about the independence of variables and the implications for differentiation. There is a mention of potential references such as Euler-Lagrange equations, indicating a broader context for the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A function f(x,t) depends on position x and time t independent variables. And if \dot{f} represents \frac{df(x,t)}{dt} and \dot{x} represents \frac{dx}{dt}, then find the value of \frac{\partial\dot{f}}{\partial\dot{x}}.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Using the formula for total differential I can have
\dot{f} = f_{x}\dot{x} + f_{t}
Now when I proceed with differentiating partially the above equation wrt \dot{x} I am struck.
 
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justwild said:

Homework Statement


A function f(x,t) depends on position x and time t independent variables. And if \dot{f} represents \frac{df(x,t)}{dt} and \dot{x} represents \frac{dx}{dt}, then find the value of \frac{\partial\dot{f}}{\partial\dot{x}}.

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



Using the formula for total differential I can have
\dot{f} = f_{x}\dot{x} + f_{t}
Now when I proceed with differentiating partially the above equation wrt \dot{x} I am struck.

Well, ##f(x,t)## doesn't depend on ##\dot x##, so ##f_x## and ##f_t## don't depend on ##\dot x## either.
 
Dick said:
Well, ##f(x,t)## doesn't depend on ##\dot x##, so ##f_x## and ##f_t## don't depend on ##\dot x## either.

So, I will get the answer as ##f_x##. It's right.

But I didn't understand why. Can you give me a reference? I would like to read more on this.
 
justwild said:
So, I will get the answer as ##f_x##. It's right.

But I didn't understand why. Can you give me a reference? I would like to read more on this.

Why do you say it is right? Is somebody telling you that?
 
justwild said:
So, I will get the answer as ##f_x##. It's right.

But I didn't understand why. Can you give me a reference? I would like to read more on this.

You could look up Euler-Lagrange equations or Calculus of Variations, but the idea here is to just treat ##x## and ##\dot x## as independent variables.
 

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