Finding Potential (Spherical coordinates )

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential due to an electric dipole located at the origin, specifically in the context of spherical coordinates. The original poster expresses difficulty in applying spherical coordinates to the problem and seeks clarification on how to find unit vectors and perform dot products between vectors expressed in different coordinate systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to express the dipole moment and the observation point in both spherical and Cartesian coordinates. Questions are raised about finding unit vectors in spherical coordinates and the implications of using different coordinate systems for the dipole moment and distance vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the potential in Cartesian coordinates and suggested avoiding dot products in spherical coordinates. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly translate between coordinate systems and the implications for calculating the potential.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions preparing for a test and indicates that understanding these fundamentals is essential. There is a reference to specific equations and a textbook, which may imply constraints on the methods that can be used.

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1. . An electric dipole located at the origin in free space has a moment p = 3ax −2ay +az nC·m. Find V at r = 2.5, θ =30◦, φ =40◦.
I find it difficult to solve when its in spherical co-ordinates.2.relevant Eq
V =P.(r-r')/( 4∏ε|r−r'|2)(|r-r'|)I am confused how to find a unit vector on spherical co-ordinate. ie |r-r'|This que is from william Hayt and page no 100.
 
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Thanks for the reply,but my que
1)how to find unit vector in a spherical coordinate system?
2) dipole p is in rectangular coordinate system and distancw vector is in spherical coordinate system.How do i multiply both with a dot product.?
Haunts me.
I spent a whole day and and went mad with vectors buzzin in my brain. I am preparing for an test this fundas are essential.please look into this
 
You can express the observation point for V in cartesian coordinates, then use just the cartesian coordinartes. The observation point is totally defined for you in spherical terms.

V = kp*r/r3

where r is the vector from the origin to the point of observation, and r its magnitude.

So you need to figure out how to express this potential in terms of your cartesian coordinate system, then do the dot-product with the dipole moment expression.

Don't try to do a dot-product in a spherical system. You have to translate to cartesian first.
 
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hadez said:
1. . An electric dipole located at the origin in free space has a moment p = 3ax −2ay +az nC·m.


Should say p = 3a i - 2a j + a k,
ijk unit vectors
 
rude man said:
Should say p = 3a i - 2a j + a k,
ijk unit vectors

yes and do the dot product and expand using ##V = \frac{\vec{p} . \vec r}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3}##

And for a dipole centrered at origin along z-axis for example, what can you say about azimuth dependence? Does the potential depend on ##\phi##?
 

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