Finding roots: cosine function of x

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The discussion revolves around finding the zeros of a cosine function involving constants d, L, and v. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the equation analytically and seeks clarification on the possibility of finding roots.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss transforming the cosine equation into a quadratic form and explore the implications of periodicity in cosine functions. There are inquiries about deriving mathematical expressions for multiple solutions and the validity of certain values based on the properties of the cosine function.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, suggesting various mathematical transformations and questioning the assumptions underlying the periodic nature of the cosine function. Some have provided examples and are exploring the implications of their findings, while others are seeking further clarification on specific points.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the constraints of the cosine function, particularly regarding the range of values and the periodicity that leads to multiple solutions. The discussion also touches on the need for a comprehensive expression to capture all possible values of x.

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Homework Statement
Finding roots cosine function of x
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##\frac{-5}{4} +2cos(\frac{\pi d x}{Lv}) + cos(\frac{2\pi dx}{Lv}) = 0##
I need to find the zeros of this function where d,L,v are constants.
After several calculations I faced this equation.
I tried everything I know, but I can't solve this. Maybe I'm missing something or I must made a mistake earlier in the problem.
Thus, I would like to know if it is possible to find the roots analytically (wolfram gave me the roots).##\frac{-5}{4} +2cos(\frac{\pi d x}{Lv}) + cos(\frac{2\pi dx}{Lv}) = 0##
 
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By math rule of
cos 2kx= 2cos^2 kx-1
you can get quadratic equation of cos kx where ##k=\pi d/Lv##
 
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Brilliant!
However, since this is a cosine function I have the same answer for different x. I found that patern by guessing with the calculator. however, is there a way to find it mathematically.
I hope this is clear.
 
happyparticle said:
However, since this is a cosine function I have the same answer for different x.
Please show us what you get actually for further investigation.
 
happyparticle said:
Brilliant!
However, since this is a cosine function I have the same answer for different x. I found that patern by guessing with the calculator. however, is there a way to find it mathematically.
I hope this is clear.
I think you missed his point. You can use @anuttarasammyak's equation to substitute and analytically solve a quadratic equation.
 
I good example is ##cos(kx) + cos^2(kx) = -1/4##
##kx = 2.09##
However, ##kx = 4.18, 8.36, 10.45, ...## works aswell.
 
Could you show "cos kx = .. " for your original OP and the new example in #6 by solving quadratic equations ?
 
For example in #6, I have ##cos(kx) = \frac{-1 \pm \sqrt{1-1}}{2}##
##kx = arc cos( \frac{-1 \pm \sqrt{1-1}}{2})##
 
1-1=0 so you can delete root. Arccos(-1/2) is easy to get.
 
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happyparticle said:
Brilliant!
However, since this is a cosine function I have the same answer for different x. I found that patern by guessing with the calculator. however, is there a way to find it mathematically.
I hope this is clear.

Remember that |\cos kx | \leq 1, so any solution of the quadratic equation which is outside this range can be discarded.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
1-1=0 so you can delete root. Arccos(-1/2) is easy to get.

I mean, I still have the same question since arc cos(-1/2) ##\approx## 2.09.
However If I plug kx = 4.18 in #6, it works and |cos 4.18| < 1.

Is my question clear or I just don't see your point?
 
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happyparticle said:
I mean, I still have the same question since arc cos(-1/2) ≈ 2.09.

Draw a unit circle and the angle in it. You get precise radian or degree. That's what your teacher expects you to do, I suppose.
 
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I understand this point. Where ##x = {2\pi /3, 4\pi/3, 2\pi/3 + 2\pi + ...}##
however, I'm looking to have an expression for all the possible values of x.
 
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$$\cos(\theta) = \cos(\theta + 2 n \pi), \quad \quad n \in \mathbb{Z}$$
 
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