Finding Someone Dedicated to Science and Math

[hemantc007]

HI THERE.....


I have question , IS THERE ANYBODY HOW IS PURELY DEDICATED TO SCIENCE OR/AND MATHEMATICS ?
OR

HOW LOVE SCIENCE OR/AND MATHEMATICS LIKE CRAZY ?


I WOULD LOVE TO MEAT HIM/HER ...

 

[rewebster]

I WOULD LOVE TO MEAT HIM/HER ...

have you tried a university or college near you yet?

 

[Lisa!]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

I WOULD LOVE TO MEAT HIM/HER ...

 

[hemantc007]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

I meant that i would like to discussion with him, about pure mathematics .

 

[hemantc007]

have you tried a university or college near you yet?

Not that far , but the thing is , i had talked to my professor and my college friends , nobody is that much purely interested in pure mathematics.

 

[Cyrus]

You are in college, please write in sentences that reflect that fact.

 

[hemantc007]

You are in college, please write in sentences that reflect that fact.

what do you mean ?

 

[Astronuc]

what do you mean ?

Use 'who', not 'how', and 'meet', not 'meat', as in

'is there anybody who is purely dedicated' and

who loves science or/and mathematics like crazy?

I would love to meet him/her.

I suspect English is not the primary language.

 

[DaveC426913]

I meant that i would like to discussion with him, about pure mathematics .

This forum would be a good place for it. Just start asking questions.

 

[rewebster]

hemantc007---

give an example of what you want to discuss, a specific point would be best (not something general, such as 'who want to talk about set theory?)

 

[hemantc007]

aaaaaasorry for the above mistakes.
I am quit new at this and I tend to such mistakes , But I make sure that I will reduce those mistakes .

 

[Evo]

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sorry for the above mistakes.
I am quit new at this and I tend to such mistakes , But I make sure that I will reduce those mistakes .

Don't worry about it, I'm sure Cyrus can't speak your language.

 

[hemantc007]

IT is just that I want to study pure mathematics and science... butttttt ....not by the society rules ,that is by obtaining degree .

What I mean is , I need to know is there any university or college where they will allow me to study independently ( that includes , when I will have problem , I need professor around , who are equally devoted to mathematics and science ) .

I am ready to pay there fee . I don't want to bound my self to society rules.

I ensure that I will study all that from the basics, because my motive is to understand it and not just to know it.
one more thing I don't care about job or money because I need to gain all knowledge (I know that ,that it is impossible in your frame of reference , but it is possible is other frame ).

 

[Choronzon]

IT is just that I want to study pure mathematics and science... butttttt ....not by the society rules ,that is by obtaining degree .

What I mean is , I need to know is there any university or college where they will allow me to study independently ( that includes , when I will have problem , I need professor around , who are equally devoted to mathematics and science ) .

I am ready to pay there fee . I don't want to bound my self to society rules.

I ensure that I will study all that from the basics, because my motive is to understand it and not just to know it.
one more thing I don't care about job or money because I need to gain all knowledge (I know that ,that it is impossible in your frame of reference , but it is possible is other frame ).

My daughter's mother wanted to get her degree in the Philosophies of Math and Science, but she ran out of money for it and instead took some government grants and studied Biostatistics at the University of Michigan. I recall her telling me that she was originally hoping to pursue a mostly independent course of study.

 

[hemantc007]

My daughter's mother wanted to get her degree in the Philosophies of Math and Science, but she ran out of money for it and instead took some government grants and studied Biostatistics at the University of Michigan. I recall her telling me that she was originally hoping to pursue a mostly independent course of study.

Can you provide me with more details , please

 

[Choronzon]

Can you provide me with more details , please

Sure, but please bear in mind that I'm just trying to repeat what she told me more than eight years ago.

As I recall, she was on track to graduate with a dual degree BS in Mathematics and Natural Science with a minor in Philosophy (not sure if I said that right), and was considering her options for graduate studies.

She said that she had spoken with various Professors (at University of Michigan in Ann Arbor), and came to me (we were together at the time, and she was expecting) and told me of her desire to pursue an independent study for her Masters degree, and that she wanted to study the Philosophies of Math and Science. I didn't really see a problem with it, other than to tell her I thought that it would basically leave her with only job prospects in academia, but she thought the same as well and accepted it. I think she actually had to write some proposal to be accepted at U of M with this course of study—but we eventually realized it was completely infeasible financially for us to pay for her Graduate Studies, so she found some government program that was giving a very substantial stipend to students studying Biostatistics and studied that instead.

Anyway, I know it's not much info, but I hope that helped.

 

[Astronuc]

IT is just that I want to study pure mathematics and science... butttttt ....not by the society rules ,that is by obtaining degree .

What I mean is , I need to know is there any university or college where they will allow me to study independently ( that includes , when I will have problem , I need professor around , who are equally devoted to mathematics and science ) .

I am ready to pay there fee . I don't want to bound my self to society rules.

I ensure that I will study all that from the basics, because my motive is to understand it and not just to know it.
one more thing I don't care about job or money because I need to gain all knowledge (I know that ,that it is impossible in your frame of reference , but it is possible is other frame ).

It normal policy for one to take courses from a proscribed curriculum, which essentially covers what the faculty deem the basic necessity for a given discipline. Usually there is room for electives, and one could conceivably chart an independent course, with the concurrence of the faculty.

 

[DaveC426913]

IT is just that I want to study pure mathematics and science... butttttt ....not by the society rules ,that is by obtaining degree .

What I mean is , I need to know is there any university or college where they will allow me to study independently ( that includes , when I will have problem , I need professor around , who are equally devoted to mathematics and science ) .

I am ready to pay there fee . I don't want to bound my self to society rules.

I ensure that I will study all that from the basics, because my motive is to understand it and not just to know it.
one more thing I don't care about job or money because I need to gain all knowledge (I know that ,that it is impossible in your frame of reference , but it is possible is other frame ).

You are willing to pay to go to university or college, and you want the help from the professors, how is that independent?

It is not essential that you earn degree, you could just not show up for the grad ceremony. So, what "rules of society" would you be forced to follow?

 

[lisab]

IT is just that I want to study pure mathematics and science... butttttt ....not by the society rules ,that is by obtaining degree .

What I mean is , I need to know is there any university or college where they will allow me to study independently ( that includes , when I will have problem , I need professor around , who are equally devoted to mathematics and science ) .

I am ready to pay there fee . I don't want to bound my self to society rules.

I ensure that I will study all that from the basics, because my motive is to understand it and not just to know it.
one more thing I don't care about job or money because I need to gain all knowledge (I know that ,that it is impossible in your frame of reference , but it is possible is other frame ).

There's a school here in Washington State,http://www.evergreen.edu/" , which allows students to tailor their curriculum. They allow self-study. It's a liberal arts school with a very unusual approach to education. They don't "spoon feed" their students; you have to be very self-motivated to be successful there.

However, I don't know if they have a large math department. That doesn't mean you can't get a great education there, though. If the school and/or the profs click with you, it may be a good fit.

 

[rewebster]

hemantc007---

maybe it would be best if you would tell us where you're from and age

 

[hemantc007]

Sure, but please bear in mind that I'm just trying to repeat what she told me more than eight years ago.

As I recall, she was on track to graduate with a dual degree BS in Mathematics and Natural Science with a minor in Philosophy (not sure if I said that right), and was considering her options for graduate studies.

She said that she had spoken with various Professors (at University of Michigan in Ann Arbor), and came to me (we were together at the time, and she was expecting) and told me of her desire to pursue an independent study for her Masters degree, and that she wanted to study the Philosophies of Math and Science. I didn't really see a problem with it, other than to tell her I thought that it would basically leave her with only job prospects in academia, but she thought the same as well and accepted it. I think she actually had to write some proposal to be accepted at U of M with this course of study—but we eventually realized it was completely infeasible financially for us to pay for her Graduate Studies, so she found some government program that was giving a very substantial stipend to students studying Biostatistics and studied that instead.

Anyway, I know it's not much info , but I hope that helped.

IT might not be enough, but enough for me to have HOPE of achieving it......

In future if you get more info please let me know.

THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION.

 

[hemantc007]

You are willing to pay to go to university or college, and you want the help from the professors, how is that independent?

It is not essential that you earn degree, you could just not show up for the grad ceremony. So, what "rules of society" would you be forced to follow?

Here, when I said " independent " I meant that independent from society rule and close to pure part of science .

 

[hemantc007]

There's a school here in Washington State,http://www.evergreen.edu/" , which allows students to tailor their curriculum. They allow self-study. It's a liberal arts school with a very unusual approach to education. They don't "spoon feed" their students; you have to be very self-motivated to be successful there.

However, I don't know if they have a large math department. That doesn't mean you can't get a great education there, though. If the school and/or the profs click with you, it may be a good fit.

thanks....

 

[hemantc007]

hemantc007---

maybe it would be best if you would tell us where you're from and age

SURE ...
# my name is Hemant Choudhary .

# I am from India (not hard core of my or any other country , these country , religion , cast etc are none of my concern )

# I have completed my 18th last nov. .

ANY more info , just ask for it.

 

[hemantc007]

IF you all want to know , how much I am dedicated to science and mathematics , then just read about or watch a documentary .-- Dangerous Knowledge --- ON BBC FOUR.

It's about 4 mathematician namely Georg Canto, Ludwig Boltzmann,Kurt Gödel and Alan Turing .
watch ---http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dangerous-knowledge/

read ---http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dangerous-knowledge.shtml

and it is not just for mathematics but for science too...

...

 

[hemantc007]

believe me i don';t know who the helt are those people

you will get to know if you read about them , on the given link ...if you are interested.....

 

[DaveC426913]

believe me i don';t know who the helt are those people

You don't know who Godel and Turing are??

 

[hemantc007]

There's a school here in Washington State,http://www.evergreen.edu/" , which allows students to tailor their curriculum. They allow self-study. It's a liberal arts school with a very unusual approach to education. They don't "spoon feed" their students; you have to be very self-motivated to be successful there.

However, I don't know if they have a large math department. That doesn't mean you can't get a great education there, though. If the school and/or the profs click with you, it may be a good fit.

sorry I forgot to mention that I don't want that time limit that this course must be completed in one year or three year .

AND IF POSSIBLE , A UNIV. OR COLLEGE WHERE THEY JUDGE STUDENT ON THE BASES OF HIS\HER KNOWLEDGE AND INTEREST IN THAT SCIENCE.

BASICALLY A PART IN THE WORLD WHERE PEOPLE RESPECT SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS AND WOULD LIKE PEOPLE LIKE ME TO JOIN......

 

[rewebster]

I wouldn't guess there would be many 'apprentice' openings---places like to have people that add to the possibility of the company/business/organization to advance.


In other words, you should have (more than just) some knowledge in the area that you want to 'help' in----an 'enthusiasm' in an area isn't often good enough.


Think about it from their point of view---what abilities/knowledge do you think that they would want in an applicant for an opening/job? ask them...

 

[hemantc007]

I wouldn't guess there would be many 'apprentice' openings---places like to have people that add to the possibility of the company/business/organization to advance.In other words, you should have (more than just) some knowledge in the area that you want to 'help' in----an 'enthusiasm' in an area isn't often good enough.Think about it from their point of view---what abilities/knowledge do you think that they would want in an applicant for an opening/job? ask them...

firstly I am not talking about some opening\job...

I am talking about science , scientist , research , knowledge and pure mathematicians and there point of view AND NOT some economical or political or social part's point of view ...

secondly I am purely into science ,so I need a place (univ. or college which satisfied point in above posts) where there are people who respect science and mathematic, not that you all don't do it, but purely into it...
those above point are less of my concern so don't bother me with them please...

 

[hemantc007]

The Venus project believes that the end of the world will come Terminator-style, by the take-over of machines.



Does that qualify as crackpottery?

I am impressed by them because they are at least try it , not just given up and stared opposing the fact that they can change the world...
I myself wanted to break this system because I am lock into it, I don't care much about poverty or any other thing , just want to make my self free and make a system without money and where people are free to do whatever they want to do like those pure science , mathematics and also for other people's freedom.

I am trying to do so for last 1 an 1.5 year but not unsuccessful because i don't have the authority and bounded by law of money and survival without money...

believe me take a step forward and we will break those system ...if you fell that there some mistake in that point then you can correct it , you know it is not that easy task ,to think of making whole system proper ...

 

[DaveC426913]

I am trying to do so for last 1 an 1.5 year but not unsuccessful because i don't have the authority and bounded by law of money and survival without money...

Is this not telling you something?

You need power and money to make changes.



You may have to make a very hard decision:
Do you want this freedom for yourself, or for your descendants? Pick only one.

You may have to change the system from within. i.e. you may have to sacrifice your personal goals, by acquiring wealth and money, so that you can let your children have the life you dream of.

 

[hemantc007]

Is this not telling you something?

You need power and money to make changes.



You may have to make a very hard decision:
Do you want this freedom for yourself, or for your descendants? Pick only one.

You may have to change the system from within. i.e. you may have to sacrifice your personal goals, by acquiring wealth and money, so that you can let your children have the life you dream of.

There is another way of breaking it by uniting people around and over through the monetary system...

 

[DaveC426913]

There is another way of breaking it by uniting people around and over through the monetary system...

Do you think it will happen in your lifetime? If not, you sacrifice a lot of your ability to enact change when you decide to forego power and wealth.

 

[hemantc007]

Do you think it will happen in your lifetime? If not, you sacrifice a lot of your ability to enact change when you decide to forego power and wealth.

yes ,hope so ...
Any way I am gona try it till end , am not gona give up...if it does not happen within my lifetime I will make my mark strong enough so that people will know about my existence and continue with it...

 

[rewebster]

firstly I am not talking about some opening\job...

I am talking about science , scientist , research , knowledge and pure mathematicians and there point of view AND NOT some economical or political or social part's point of view ...

secondly I am purely into science ,so I need a place (univ. or college which satisfied point in above posts) where there are people who respect science and mathematic, not that you all don't do it, but purely into it...



those above point are less of my concern so don't bother me with them please...

I guess you didn't get the correlation-----the areas of research (your 'purely into science') and job openings (your 'some economical or political or social part's point of view ...') ask about the same thing of you---


Who do you think the "people who respect science and mathematic" are exactly? and it sounds like you want to be somehow in that 'group'...

do you think that just 'wanting' to be in that 'group' is enough for you to accepted in that group?

I have a feeling you have a unrealistic idea of what those 'groups' are that you're wanting to get into---a 'idealistic' view of who they are and what they do, and what it took them to get there.

There are 'think tanks' around, and I get the feeling that that could be what you're talking about from what you've written.

OK---you tell me what you think it takes on how do you get into a 'think tank'?

 

[Galteeth]

I guess you didn't get the correlation-----the areas of research (your 'purely into science') and job openings (your 'some economical or political or social part's point of view ...') ask about the same thing of you---


Who do you think the "people who respect science and mathematic" are exactly? and it sounds like you want to be somehow in that 'group'...

do you think that just 'wanting' to be in that 'group' is enough for you to accepted in that group?

I have a feeling you have a unrealistic idea of what those 'groups' are that you're wanting to get into---a 'idealistic' view of who they are and what they do, and what it took them to get there.

There are 'think tanks' around, and I get the feeling that that could be what you're talking about from what you've written.

OK---you tell me what you think it takes on how do you get into a 'think tank'?

It makes a lot of sense that a love for science and knowledge, especially in a cultural climate or local society that had no interest in these things, would make one prone to idealism.




Here's an idea for herm. Why not use the internet to hook up with people in your area of India who have some interest in science? Perhaps you could pool money to order some textbooks online, and do a co-operative study course. It sounds to me like you do not want the formality and social aspects of what's available to you higher education wise.

Some more information might help. Can you attend universities in India? Are you in good academic standing? Can you afford to go to school in America?

 

[Galteeth]

Another thought: Based on your conception of the "pure" scientist, you might find it interesting to research the Pythagoran cult.

 

[fasterthanjoao]

Anyone trying to answer/assist hemantc007 might benefit from a look at:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=396192&page=1