Finding tension of a rope pulling a crate

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The discussion focuses on calculating the tension in a rope pulling a crate at a constant speed, with given mass and friction coefficient. Initial calculations yielded an incorrect tension value, prompting a reevaluation of the equations used, particularly the signs in the force balance equations. After correcting algebraic errors and understanding the relationship between tension and gravitational force, the final tension was recalculated to be approximately 108 N. Participants clarified that the tension does not need to exceed the weight of the crate, especially in scenarios with low friction. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and understanding force dynamics in physics problems.
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Did this problem out, but answer doesn't look right.

Homework Statement


Find the tension of the rope.

M=37.7kg
Coefficient of kinetic friction=.244
Rope is at an angle of 22.2° above the horizontal
Pulled at constant speed, meaning a=0

Homework Equations


I figured that...
ƩFx=Tcos∅-μkN=0
ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

So, N=mg+Tsin∅

Then I did a simple substitution with the N equation...

Tcos∅-μkmg+Tsin∅=0

When I got T by itself, I got...

T=(μkmg/cos∅+sin∅)

The Attempt at a Solution



Then I just plugged the given numbers in, and I got T=69N (Approximately)

Am I correct? Because I figured the tension of the rope has to be greater than the mg of the crate.
 
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ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

Replace -Tsinangle by +Tsinangle
 
grzz said:
ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

Replace -Tsinangle by +Tsinangle

Okay, so that means that my final equation for T changes to...

T=(μk*mg/cos∅-sin∅)

I get an answer of about 164.5 N. It's higher, but is that right. I'm still wondering if T is supposed to be greater than the mg of the crate. If this is correct, then why did I have to change the -Tsin∅, to a positive Tsin∅?
 
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When you sum forces in the y direction, N acts up (+), mg acts down (-), and T sin theta acts up (+). That is why grzz corected the signage for Tsin theta.

Beyond that, your algebra is incorrect. There should be a uk in front of the Tsin theta term (note that a(b + c) = ab + ac).

Why do you feel T has to be greater than mg? Consider pulling a heavy crate on a near frictionless surface. The pulling force is much less than mg.
 
PhanthomJay said:
When you sum forces in the y direction, N acts up (+), mg acts down (-), and T sin theta acts up (+). That is why grzz corected the signage for Tsin theta.

Beyond that, your algebra is incorrect. There should be a uk in front of the Tsin theta term (note that a(b + c) = ab + ac).

Why do you feel T has to be greater than mg? Consider pulling a heavy crate on a near frictionless surface. The pulling force is much less than mg.

Ah, I see now.

Didn't catch the algebra error. Thanks for that.

Meh. I don't know what I was thinking earlier. Was doing this problem early in the morning.

Okay, so now that I corrected my errors, I get a tension of approximately 108 N.
 
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