Finding the Inflection points of x^2-4√x

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The discussion revolves around finding the inflection points of the function defined by the expression x^2 - 4√x, which involves calculus concepts such as derivatives and concavity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding the first and second derivatives, questioning the validity of certain steps and the implications of the results. There is a focus on the conditions under which the function is defined and the interpretation of the square root.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the conditions for inflection points and the nature of the function. Some participants suggest that the original poster's calculations may lead to incorrect conclusions due to assumptions about the square root branch. Others provide insights into the convexity of the function, indicating that there may not be any inflection points.

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There is an emphasis on the domain of the function being x > 0, and concerns are raised about the introduction of false roots when squaring equations. The discussion reflects a need to carefully consider the implications of the chosen branches of the square root in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


find the inflection points of x^2-4√x

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The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I started with finding the derivatives;
f'(x)=2x-2/√x
f''(x)=2+1/√x^3
and made the second derivative =0
(2+1/√x^3=0)(√x^3)
2√x^3+1=0
(√x^3=-1/2)^2
x^3=1/4
x=cube root(1/4)
x=0.63
But when I enter '0.63' into the second derivative i get '4' (2+1/(√0.63^3)=4) Should i not get 0? Does this mean there are no inflection points?
 
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It's unclear what you are doing here:
AllanW said:
2√x^3+1=0
(√x^3=-1/2)^2
x^3=1/4

Note that for the given expression x^2-4√x to be a function, we need to choose a branch of the square root. The convention is to choose the positive branch unless explicitly stated otherwise. Then when we get to (√x)^3=-1/2 we see that there is no solution, because in the positive branch (√x)^3>0. So there are no inflection points.

The solution you found is for the negative branch of the square root, which does have an inflection point.
 
AllanW said:

Homework Statement


find the inflection points of x^2-4√x

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I started with finding the derivatives;
f'(x)=2x-2/√x
f''(x)=2+1/√x^3
and made the second derivative =0
(2+1/√x^3=0)

It was a real function, the domain is x>0. That means, the second derivative can not be zero. When you take the square of the equation, you introduce false root.
AllanW said:
(2+1/√x^3=0)(√x^3)
2√x^3+1=0
(√x^3=-1/2)^2
x^3=1/4
x=cube root(1/4)
x=0.63
But when I enter '0.63' into the second derivative i get '4' (2+1/(√0.63^3)=4) Should i not get 0? Does this mean there are no inflection points?
 
AllanW said:

Homework Statement


find the inflection points of x^2-4√x

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I started with finding the derivatives;
f'(x)=2x-2/√x
f''(x)=2+1/√x^3
and made the second derivative =0
(2+1/√x^3=0)(√x^3)
2√x^3+1=0
(√x^3=-1/2)^2
x^3=1/4
x=cube root(1/4)
x=0.63
But when I enter '0.63' into the second derivative i get '4' (2+1/(√0.63^3)=4) Should i not get 0? Does this mean there are no inflection points?

You have ##f(x) = f_1(x) + f_2(x)##, where ##f_1(x) = x^2## and ##f_2(x) = -2 \sqrt{x}##. We have ##f_1''(x)>0## and ##f_2''(x)>0## on ##\mathbb{R}_+ = \{ x > 0 \}##, so there are no inflection points. Basically, ##f## is the sum of two strictly convex functions on ##\mathbb{R}_+##, so is itself strictly convex on that set.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You have ##f(x) = f_1(x) + f_2(x)##, where ##f_1(x) = x^2## and ##f_2(x) = -2 \sqrt{x}##. We have ##f_1''(x)>0## and ##f_2''(x)>0## on ##\mathbb{R}_+ = \{ x > 0 \}##, so there are no inflection points. Basically, ##f## is the sum of two strictly convex functions on ##\mathbb{R}_+##, so is itself strictly convex on that set.
great, thanks
 

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