Finding the intersect of two functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the intersection of a water jet's trajectory, described by parametric equations, and a linear equation representing a line. The original poster expresses difficulty in rearranging the equations to find the intersection point beyond the trivial solution at zero.

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  • Participants explore the nature of the equations involved, with some suggesting that the equation can be interpreted as quadratic despite the presence of multiple terms involving x. There is a focus on identifying the correct form of the equation and the implications of the coefficients.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the form of the equation and the solutions derived from it. Some participants have provided guidance on checking the signs of coefficients, which has led to further exploration of potential solutions. There is no clear consensus on the correct intersection point, but productive questioning and reasoning are evident.

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Participants note constraints such as the time range being limited and the challenge of transforming the equation into a standard quadratic form. There is also mention of seeking help from a tutor, indicating a reliance on external guidance for resolution.

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I have the following equation which describes a water jets trajectory.

Vx=Cos(50) * 6.5m/s
Vy=Sin(50) * 6.5m/s

x=Vx*t
y=Vy*t-0.5*g*t^2

where t=time

Now, this plots a curve very well starting from zero.

I want a line, starting from 0 also, that intersects the curve.
Now, I have used the equation y=tan(35)*x where x is the distance across the bottom of the graph (x axis) on the adjacent part in the trig.

So, to find the intersect, i need to get the curve equation in terms of x and y instead of y and t, so i have re-arranged; t=x/Vx and subbed into give;

y=Vy*(x/Vx)-0.5*9.81*(x/Vx)^2

If I equal them to one another; tan(50) *x = Vy*(x/Vx)-0.5*9.81*(x/Vx)^2
and re-arrange for x, i get;

(tan(35)*Vx^2)/(-0.5*g)) - ((-Vx*Vy/(0.5*g)) = x = 0

Now, there is an intersect at 0, but not the one i want.

Attached is a graph of both the line and curve, with 50 degrees angle on the jet, and 35 degrees on the line.

Please help, I've been stuck on this alllll day, and a lot of yesterday too!
 

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That's a quadratic equation. It has two solution of which x= 0 is one. What is the other?
 
Its not a quadratic equation because it can't be put into the form of ax^2+bx+c=0 since we have an x on both b and c, so what i have is ax^2+bx+cx=0.
 
Which is equal to ax^2+ (b+ c)x= 0, a quadratic equation. As I said, x= 0 is one solution, what is the other.
 
Okay, so where we have a =(0.5*9.81)/(Vx^2) = 0.2929
b =Vy/Vx = 1.19175
c=TAN(35) in degrees

Plugging it all in and checking with calculator and excel, i get x=-0.7119 and x=-3.3568

Neither of which are the intersection.
Also, it is not referring to t or time, because the time range is only from 0-0.5
 
In the previous comment, i assumed ax^2+bx+cx=0 since that's the form of my equation.
If i calculate, by transforming my equation to ax^2+bx+c=0 by adding both a and b together (because they both have one x) and making it b, and then making c = 0, i get x=0 (promising) but then x=-6.459 which is incorrect.
Driving me insane. I hate not being able to solve a problem.
I will ask my tutor, but she's not in till next week. If anyone has any ideas then please comment.
 
stevemilw said:
In the previous comment, i assumed ax^2+bx+cx=0 since that's the form of my equation.
If i calculate, by transforming my equation to ax^2+bx+c=0 by adding both a and b together (because they both have one x) and making it b, and then making c = 0, i get x=0 (promising) but then x=-6.459 which is incorrect.
Driving me insane. I hate not being able to solve a problem.
I will ask my tutor, but she's not in till next week. If anyone has any ideas then please comment.

Check the sign of 'a'.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Check the sign of 'a'.

Thanks, i tried subtracting c from b and i got the correct answer! It wasn't the sign of a, i had just simply got the signs wrong, but you pushed me in the right direction.
Seems very simple now!
 

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