Finding the mass of a photon with given wavelength

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of photons based on their wavelength. The original poster presents a problem involving two photons of wavelength 4.22x10^-7 m created from a conversion of matter into energy, seeking to find the mass (M) associated with this energy conversion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of energy using the formula E=hf and its relation to mass via E=mc^2. There are questions about the correct application of these formulas, particularly regarding the number of photons and the units involved. Some participants also express confusion over the original poster's calculations and the discrepancies in the final mass value.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the calculations, with some participants pointing out potential errors in the original poster's approach. Suggestions are made to consider the energy of both photons rather than just one, and there is acknowledgment of the need to include units in calculations. The discussion remains open, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of units in calculations and question the understanding of energy as a property rather than a substance. There is also mention of typos in the original post that may have contributed to confusion.

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Hi, stuck on this question, hoping someone could help
1. Homework Statement

Two identical photons of wavelength 4.22x16^-7m are created when a certain amount of matter M, is converted into energy, calculate the Mass (M)

The Attempt at a Solution


E= hf which is hc/wavelength
E= 4.71x10^-19J
E= mc^2
so M= E/c^2
M= 4.71x10^-19J/ 3.00x10^8^2
M= 5.23x10^-36 kg
BUT the answer is 1.047x10^-35 kg, how?[/B]
 
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First of all. Never leave out the units as here:
Physics53 said:
of wavelength 4.22x16^-7 are
The relevant unit here is meters. Without the unit, the value has no meaning.

Second
Physics53 said:
is converted into energy
Light is not converted into energy. Energy is not a substance, it is a property and it was the same before the mass was converted into the photons.

Physics53 said:
M= 4.71x10^-19J/ 3.00x10^8
You are missing the square here (and the units of c!) and the fact that you are only computing the mass corresponding to the energy of one photon, not two.

Physics53 said:
M= 5.23x10^-35 kg
The 5.23 is correct with one photon, but you made an error with the exponent, which should be 10^-36.
 
Orodruin said:
First of all. Never leave out the units as here:

The relevant unit here is meters. Without the unit, the value has no meaning.

Second

Light is not converted into energy. Energy is not a substance, it is a property and it was the same before the mass was converted into the photons.You are missing the square here (and the units of c!) and the fact that you are only computing the mass corresponding to the energy of one photon, not two.The 5.23 is correct with one photon, but you made an error with the exponent, which should be 10^-36.
Sorry about that, those were typos, fixed them up now, also i understood the notion that we were finding the mass of one photon, but how would i mathematically solve it
thanks
 
If I do M=2E/c^2 is get the correct answer which is 1.047x10^-35, but where did the 2 come from ( i just did trial and error method right now).
 
Physics53 said:
3. The Attempt at a Solution
E= hf which is hc/wavelength
E= 4.71x10^-19J
E= mc^2
so M= E/c^2
M= 4.71x10^-19J/ 3.00x10^8^2
M= 5.23x10^-36 kg
BUT the answer is 1.047x10^-35 kg, how?

the energy you have calculated is just for one photon , so to get the full energy just multplay E by 2 then convert it to mass .
 
patric44 said:
the energy you have calculated is just for one photon , so to get the full energy just multplay E by 2 then convert it to mass .
Thanks
 

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