Finding the order of a quotient field

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The problem involves finding the order of the quotient fields ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2 \rangle## and ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + x + 2 \rangle##, focusing on polynomial expressions and their properties in a finite field context.

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  • Participants discuss the structure of elements in the quotient fields and question whether the order is indeed 27, based on the number of coefficient choices for polynomials. There is also inquiry into the derivation of these forms and the implications of polynomial division.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about their reasoning and seeking clarification on the derivation of polynomial forms and the maximum order of remainder polynomials. There is no explicit consensus yet.

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Participants are considering the implications of polynomial division and the representation of higher-order polynomials in terms of lower powers, as well as the specific characteristics of the polynomials involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the order of ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2 \rangle ## and ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + x + 2 \rangle ##

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Is there an efficient method for doing this? Is the answer 27 for both? It would seem that both of these consist of elements of the forms ##ax^2 + bx + c + \langle x^2 + 2x + 2 \rangle## or ##ax^2 + bx + c + \langle x^2 + x + 2 \rangle##, and there are three choices for the coefficients a, b, c, so ##3^3 = 27##
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
It would seem that both of these consist of elements of the forms ##ax^2 + bx + c + \langle x^2 + 2x + 2 \rangle## or ##ax^2 + bx + c + \langle x^2 + x + 2 \rangle##
Are you sure? How did you derive this?
 
andrewkirk said:
Are you sure? How did you derive this?
Well I am not sure. But my intuition tells me that all higher order polynomials can be written as lower powers by using the ##x^2 = -2x -2## or ##x^2 = -x -2##
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Well I am not sure. But my intuition tells me that all higher order polynomials can be written as lower powers by using the ##x^2 = -2x -2## or ##x^2 = -x -2##
What is the maximum possible order of the remainder polynomial one gets from dividing a polynomial by ##x^22+2x+2##?
 

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