Finding the speed of rolling ball

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The discussion focuses on calculating the speed of a rolling ball using the work-energy theorem, highlighting that friction does not work during pure rolling motion but does during sliding. The initial attempt at the solution involved equations that included the moment of inertia and angular velocity, leading to a derived speed of v = √(5/7 v₀). Participants noted the importance of considering energy lost to friction during sliding before transitioning to rolling. A more refined approach discussed the conservation of angular momentum about an axis at ground level, providing an alternative method for solving the problem. The conversation emphasizes the nuances of rolling versus sliding motion in physics.
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Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


In rolling motion, friction doesn't work. So, applying work energy theorem,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0 ^2 =\frac 1 2 mv^2 + \frac 1 2 I_{center} \omega ^2 ##
## taking~ I_{ center} = \frac 2 5 m R^2 ~and ~ v =\omega R ,
v = \sqrt {( \frac 5 7 v_0 )} ##
 
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Pushoam said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


In rolling motion, friction doesn't work. So, applying work energy theorem,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0 ^2 =\frac 1 2 mv^2 + \frac 1 2 I_{center} \omega ^2 ##
## taking~ I_{ center} = \frac 2 5 m R^2 ~and ~ v =\omega R ,
v = \sqrt {( \frac 5 7 v_0 )} ##
I assume you meant the v0 to be outside the square root.
You are overlooking the energy lost to friction while sliding. We want the velocity just as it transitions to rolling. Up until then it has been sliding, as well as rotating.
 
Thanks to friction the ball can move.
Heat dissipation will be absent.
Remember v = omega R(ball) and eliminate omega.
 
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haruspex said:
I assume you meant the v0 to be outside the square root.
Yes.
haruspex said:
You are overlooking the energy lost to friction while sliding.
Yes, I considered this motion as rolling motion from start unknowingly.
Friction doesn't work in rolling motion. But, it does work in sliding motion.

Another attempt:
##v = v_0 - f_r t /m = \omega R##
## \tau = f_r R = \frac 2 5 m R^2 \alpha##
## \omega = \alpha t = \frac {5 f_r } {2 m R} t
\\ \frac { f_r t } m = \frac 2 5 v
\\ v = \frac 5 7 v_0 ##

So, done. Thanks.
 
Pushoam said:
Yes.

Yes, I considered this motion as rolling motion from start unknowingly.
Friction doesn't work in rolling motion. But, it does work in sliding motion.

Another attempt:
##v = v_0 - f_r t /m = \omega R##
## \tau = f_r R = \frac 2 5 m R^2 \alpha##
## \omega = \alpha t = \frac {5 f_r } {2 m R} t
\\ \frac { f_r t } m = \frac 2 5 v
\\ v = \frac 5 7 v_0 ##

So, done. Thanks.
There is an interesting quick method on this one.
Since the friction acts at ground level, angular momentum about an axis at ground level is conserved.
 
haruspex said:
There is an interesting quick method on this one.
Since the friction acts at ground level, angular momentum about an axis at ground level is conserved.

Thanks for this insight. This is really interesting.
 
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