Finding the Thevenin voltage for the circuit.

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The discussion focuses on finding the Thevenin voltage and resistance for a given circuit. Participants explore different methods for calculating these values, including the use of voltage divider rules and the concept of isolating voltage sources. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical calculations related to circuit analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula R_th = 1/r1 + 1/r2 for calculating Thevenin resistance and V_th = Vout*(R/Rt) for Thevenin voltage.
  • Another participant questions the formula for Thevenin resistance, suggesting it should be expressed as 1/R_th = 1/r1 + 1/r2, while acknowledging the calculation may still be correct.
  • A participant provides detailed calculations for V_th, isolating each voltage terminal and applying voltage divider principles, resulting in V_th = 8.18V.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly applying voltage divider equations and checking the polarities of currents and voltages when isolating sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of formulas and methods for calculating Thevenin voltage and resistance. There is no consensus on the best approach, and some calculations are challenged while others are presented as potentially correct.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations may depend on specific assumptions about the circuit configuration and the treatment of voltage sources. The discussion includes potential ambiguities in the application of voltage divider rules and the interpretation of terminal isolation.

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1. For the following circuit, i must find the thevenin's resistance and voltage.
Using R_th = 1/r1 +1/r2 may be effective in finding resistance and V_th = Vout*(R/Rt) may be effective in finding voltage
i have managed to find the thevenin's resistance to be 2.19ohms. I attempted to find the thevenin's voltage by isolating each voltage terminal one at a time to find the voltage and then adding these two voltages together, but i didn't answer correctly.
 

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Hi johnsy1312, Welcome to Physics Forums.

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johnsy1312 said:
1. For the following circuit, i must find the thevenin's resistance and voltage.



Using R_th = 1/r1 +1/r2 may be effective in finding resistance and V_th = Vout*(R/Rt) may be effective in finding voltage



i have managed to find the thevenin's resistance to be 2.19ohms. I attempted to find the thevenin's voltage by isolating each voltage terminal one at a time to find the voltage and then adding these two voltages together, but i didn't answer correctly.

Can you show your calculations in more detail? Your formula for the Thevenin resistance is not quite right (should be ##1/R_{th} = 1/r1 + 1/r2##) but it looks like you made the correct calculation anyway. Be careful of rounding though... it looks to me like you rounded up the final digit for no reason.

How did you arrive at your formula for Vth? Show your calculations.
 
\frac{}{}Firstly i isolated the 12V terminal and calculated the voltage:
V= \frac{18*3}{3+8}=4.91V
Then i isolated the 18V terminal,
V= \frac{12*8}{3+8}=3.27V
V_th = 4.91 + 3.27 = 8.18V
 
gneill said:
Hi johnsy1312, Welcome to Physics Forums.

In future please retain and use the formatting template provided when starting a new thread.



Can you show your calculations in more detail? Your formula for the Thevenin resistance is not quite right (should be ##1/R_{th} = 1/r1 + 1/r2##) but it looks like you made the correct calculation anyway. Be careful of rounding though... it looks to me like you rounded up the final digit for no reason.

How did you arrive at your formula for Vth? Show your calculations.


\frac{}{}Firstly i isolated the 12V terminal and calculated the voltage:
V= \frac{18*3}{3+8}=4.91V
Then i isolated the 18V terminal,
V= \frac{12*8}{3+8}=3.27V
V_th = 4.91 + 3.27 = 8.18V
 
johnsy1312 said:
\frac{}{}Firstly i isolated the 12V terminal and calculated the voltage:
V= \frac{18*3}{3+8}=4.91V
Then i isolated the 18V terminal,
V= \frac{12*8}{3+8}=3.27V
V_th = 4.91 + 3.27 = 8.18V

First, when you say isolate a terminal, I presume you mean suppress a voltage source.

Second, check your voltage divider equations; the resistance that appears in the numerator should be the one that you want to find the potential across. For example, with the 12 V source suppressed and the 18 V source driving the circuit, that would be the 8 Ω resistor.

Third, pay close attention to the polarities of the currents and voltages. The polarity of the voltage created by a potential drop across a resistor depends upon the current direction, which in turn depends upon the polarity of the source voltage.

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