Finding the value of combination using integration

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a sum involving combinations and integration, specifically the expression 100C0 + (1/2)100C1 + (1/3)100C2 + ... + (1/101)100C100. The subject area includes combinatorics and calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the possibility of transforming the sum into a power series and applying calculus operations. Some suggest using the binomial theorem and integrating specific functions. Others express confusion about the hints provided and the connection between the sigma notation and integration.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered hints and suggestions, including the use of the binomial theorem and integration techniques. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate the sum to an integral form, with some participants questioning their understanding of the hints and the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the integration of combinatorial expressions and the application of the binomial theorem. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the assumptions and methods discussed, particularly in relation to the hints about transforming the sum.

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Homework Statement


By using integration, find the value of
[tex]100C0+\frac{1}{2}100C1+\frac{1}{3}100C2+\frac{1}{4}100C3+...+\frac{1}{101}100C100[/tex]


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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't even have any ideas to start. Can this really be solved by using integration?

Thanks
 
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The trick is to turn the sum into a power series, then perform a calculus operation on it which gets rid of those nasty 1/r factors.
 
recall that for k=1,2,...

$$\frac{1}{k}=\int_0^1 \! x^{k-1} \, \mathrm{dx} \\ \text{or} \\
\frac{1}{k}=\int_0^\infty \! e^{-k \, x} \, \mathrm{dx} $$

use binomial theorem
 
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haruspex said:
The trick is to turn the sum into a power series, then perform a calculus operation on it which gets rid of those nasty 1/r factors.

lurflurf said:
recall that for k=1,2,...

$$\frac{1}{k}=\int_0^1 \! x^{k-1} \, \mathrm{dx} \\ \text{or} \\
\frac{1}{k}=\int_0^\infty \! e^{-k \, x} \, \mathrm{dx} $$

use binomial theorem

I don't think I get both of your hints :redface:

The question can be written as:

[tex]\Sigma_{r=0}^{100}~100Cr . \frac{1}{r+1}[/tex]

Then, by using Maclaurin series:
[tex]\frac{1}{r+1}=1-r+r^2-r^3+...=\Sigma_{i=0}^{∞}(-r)^i[/tex]

I am not sure what I am doing and the direction I am heading to...

Thanks
 
songoku said:
I don't think I get both of your hints :redface:

The question can be written as:

[tex]\Sigma_{r=0}^{100}~100Cr . \frac{1}{r+1}[/tex]

My hint was to introduce a variable, something like (but not exactly):
[tex]\Sigma_{r=0}^{100}~100Cr . \frac{1}{r+1} s^r[/tex]
 
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Use binomial theorem to write up 100 (1+x)100. Then integrate it, from 0 to 1. What do you get?


ehild
 
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my hint was

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}=\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \int_0^1 \! x^k \, \mathrm{dx}=\int_0^1\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} x^k \, 1^{100-k} \, \mathrm{dx}$$
use the binomial theorem
 
I am really sorry for taking a long time to reply

haruspex said:
My hint was to introduce a variable, something like (but not exactly):
[tex]\Sigma_{r=0}^{100}~100Cr . \frac{1}{r+1} s^r[/tex]

Sorry I still don't get the hint :redface:

lurflurf said:
my hint was

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}=\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \int_0^1 \! x^k \, \mathrm{dx}=\int_0^1\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} x^k \, 1^{100-k} \, \mathrm{dx}$$

use the binomial theorem

I don't get the last part. Where 1100-k comes from? And also how to use the binomial theorem for your equation? I only know that binomial theorem is used for expanding. In your equation, what is the term that can be expanded using binomial theorem?

ehild said:
Use binomial theorem to write up 100 (1+x)100. Then integrate it, from 0 to 1. What do you get?


ehild

Wow, expanding (1 + x)100 then integrating it from 0 to 1 gives me the same result as calculating

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}$$

So, I can write

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}=\int_{0}^{1}{(1+x)^{100}}dx$$

How can we know such sigma form can be written in simple integral form? Do I have to memorize certain form or expression?

Thanks
 
songoku said:
I am really sorry for taking a long time to reply



Sorry I still don't get the hint :redface:



I don't get the last part. Where 1100-k comes from? And also how to use the binomial theorem for your equation? I only know that binomial theorem is used for expanding. In your equation, what is the term that can be expanded using binomial theorem?



Wow, expanding (1 + x)100 then integrating it from 0 to 1 gives me the same result as calculating

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}$$

So, I can write

$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} \, \frac{1}{k+1}=\int_{0}^{1}{(1+x)^{100}}dx$$

How can we know such sigma form can be written in simple integral form? Do I have to memorize certain form or expression?

Thanks

Just use the binomial theorem on (1+x)^100 and integrate terms. Knowing the binomial theorem is all you have to memorize. Knowing how it relates to to your problem is more of a hunch thing.
 
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songoku said:
I don't get the last part. Where 1100-k comes from? And also how to use the binomial theorem for your equation? I only know that binomial theorem is used for expanding. In your equation, what is the term that can be expanded using binomial theorem?
I am using the binomial theorem backwards to combine the terms. I insert 1^(100-k) to make the equation exactly fit the binomial theorem. Of course 1^(100-k)=1 so it does not change anything.
$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} x^k \, 1^{100-k}=(1+x)^{100}$$
 
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Dick said:
Just use the binomial theorem on (1+x)^100 and integrate terms. Knowing the binomial theorem is all you have to memorize. Knowing how it relates to to your problem is more of a hunch thing.

lurflurf said:
I am using the binomial theorem backwards to combine the terms. I insert 1^(100-k) to make the equation exactly fit the binomial theorem. Of course 1^(100-k)=1 so it does not change anything.
$$\sum_{k=0}^{100} {100 \choose k} x^k \, 1^{100-k}=(1+x)^{100}$$

Oh ok. Now I can see clearer the connection between stating the question in sigma form and then introducing integration to solve the problem.

Thanks a lot for all the help I got in this thread :smile:
 

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