Finding Touchdown Point Distance on a Slope with a Circular Arc and Ramp Launch

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a scenario where a person, Julie, launches off a ramp after descending a slope and navigating a circular arc. The objective is to determine the horizontal distance from the ramp's end to her touchdown point. The context includes elements of kinematics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of velocity at the end of the ramp and the angle of launch. There is a focus on the implications of the 90-degree arc on the launch angle and the resulting calculations for horizontal distance.

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the assumptions made regarding the launch angle, suggesting a reevaluation of the angle based on the trajectory. A participant indicates that adjusting the angle leads to a correct answer, highlighting a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of confusion regarding the angle of launch due to the circular arc, which affects the calculations. The problem setup includes specific height and angle parameters that are critical to the solution process.

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Homework Statement


It's been a great day of new, frictionless snow. Julie starts at the top of the 60∘ slope shown in the figure (Figure 1) . At the bottom, a circular arc carries her through a 90∘ turn, and she then launches off a 3.0-m-high ramp.

How far horizontally is her touchdown point from the end of the ramp?
Express your answer to two significant figures and include the appropriate units.

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Homework Equations



(1/2)mv2i + mgyi = (1/2)mv2f + mgyf[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



Solving for V at the end of the ramp I got V = sqrt(2g(y1 - y2))
So the velocity as she is going off the ramp should be Vf = sqrt(2g(25-3)) = 20.8 m/s

Because of the 90 degree arc length the angle she is going off the ramp should also be 60 degrees.

So y = y0 + v0t - (1/2)gt2
0 = 3 + 20.8 sin (60) - 4.9t2

0 = 3 + 18.01t - 4.9t2

t = 3.83

plugging into the x equation for distance

x = vt = v0cos(θ)t = 20.8 * cos(60) * 3.83 = 40 m

I'm not sure why this isn't right. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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BrainMan said:
Because of the 90 degree arc length the angle she is going off the ramp should also be 60 degrees.
I think you might want to re-evaluate that. If her direction started out at -60° with respect to the horizontal, adding 90° to that yields...?

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BrainMan said:
Because of the 90 degree arc length the angle she is going off the ramp should also be 60 degrees.

I'm not sure why this isn't right. Any help is greatly appreciated!

Does that look to you like 60 degrees in the diagram?
 
gneill said:
I think you might want to re-evaluate that. If her direction started out at -60° with respect to the horizontal, adding 90° to that yields...?

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OK I get 30 degrees. Following the same process with 30 degrees I get the right answer. Thanks!
 
Happy to help!
 

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