Finding transition matrix, no % probability given

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The discussion revolves around finding the transition matrix for a quantum mechanical system with three states, focusing on the probabilities of transitions between these states based on empirical data. The original poster seeks to determine specific elements of the transition matrix, particularly the last row.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the likelihood ratios for transitions between states and question the validity of the provided transition matrix. There are attempts to clarify the conventions used in representing the matrix and the implications of time scales in quantum systems.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's matrix and questioning the assumptions made regarding the transition probabilities. Some participants have offered insights into the conventions used, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of the initial values presented.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing conventions regarding how transition matrices are structured, specifically whether columns or rows should sum to one. Additionally, the lack of information about time scales in the quantum system is noted as a constraint in modeling the transitions accurately.

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Homework Statement


Consider a quantum mechanical system with three states. At each step a particular particle transitions from one state to a different state.

Empirical data show that if the particle is in State 1, then it is 7 times more likely to go to State 2 at the next step than to State 3. If it is in State 2, then it is 4 times more likely to go to State 3 at the next step than to State 1. If it is in State 3 then it is equally likely to go to State 1 or State 2 at the next step.

Let A be transition matrix for this markov chain. Find a31, a32, and a33 (i.e., find the last row in the transition matrix)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



\begin{bmatrix}0 & 0.2 & 0.5 \\ 0.875 & 0 & 0.5 \\ 0.125 & 0.8 & 0 \end{bmatrix}

Am I on the right track?
 
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Razberryz said:

Homework Statement


Consider a quantum mechanical system with three states. At each step a particular particle transitions from one state to a different state.

Empirical data show that if the particle is in State 1, then it is 7 times more likely to go to State 2 at the next step than to State 3. If it is in State 2, then it is 4 times more likely to go to State 3 at the next step than to State 1. If it is in State 3 then it is equally likely to go to State 1 or State 2 at the next step.

Let A be transition matrix for this markov chain. Find a31, a32, and a33 (i.e., find the last row in the transition matrix)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



\begin{bmatrix}0 & 0.2 & 0.5 \\ 0.875 & 0 & 0.5 \\ 0.125 & 0.8 & 0 \end{bmatrix}

Am I on the right track?

These numbers all look wrong to me. Where did you get them? Show your work, so that we have a basis for discussion.

Note added in edit: apparently you are using the convention that the columns sum to 1. I have only seen this convention used in about 0.01% of the things I have ever read.

However, if that is the case your matrix is correct, at least as far as the state-transition "movements" are concerned. What is absent here is any notion of time scale. A quantum system will not just make a transition religiously every single time unit; in reality, it will remain in some state for a random amount of time, then jump to another state and remain there for another random amount of time, etc. In other words, you really should use a continuous-time Markov chain, rather than a discrete-time one. Unfortunately, in this problem you were not given any information about average sojourn times in the various states, so you cannot make a realistic model of an actual quantum system.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
These numbers all look wrong to me. Where did you get them? Show your work, so that we have a basis for discussion.

Imagine a 1 above the 1st column, a 2 above the 2nd column, and 3 above the 3rd column
do the same for the rows (1 beside the 1st row...)

and Pij = changing from state j to state i

Basically I put 0.875 in the 2nd row and 1st column, because the transition from state 1 to 2 is 7x more likely than the transition from 1 to 2, and 0.875% is 7x more than 0.125%. I think I'm doing this totally wrong. Thanks for the reply.
 
P would be the transition matrix, with 1,2,3 as states
 
Razberryz said:
P would be the transition matrix, with 1,2,3 as states

I edited my original post, to recognize that you are using the quite rare convention (columns summing to 1, instead of the usual one of rows summing to 1). That being said, read the rest of my edited post, because it makes a crucial point about relevance of the model you wrote down.
 
It's the correct answer! Thank you!
 

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