Finite rotations and infinitesimal rotations

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Finite rotations do not commute, while infinitesimal rotations do, as explained in Kleppner's text. The discussion highlights that although infinitesimal rotations can be added together and still commute, when combined into a finite rotation, they lose this property. This non-commutativity arises from the mathematical structures involved, particularly in the context of Lie groups and Lie algebras. The conversation also emphasizes the need for precise definitions when discussing rotations and their commutation properties. Ultimately, the distinction between finite and infinitesimal rotations is crucial for understanding their behavior in physics.
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vanhees71 said:
With Lie-group theory that's very easy to understand.
Oh! Now I see what you call Lie group theory. This is not yet Lie group theory this is just some trivial argument. Lie group theory is a serious mathematical branch. By the way, your formulas are too cumbersome. Particularly there is no need to refer on coordinate representations every time. Everything is much simpler.

Let ##u## be any vector frozen into a rigid body. The rigid body moves so that ##u=u(t)##. Define a linear operator $$A(t)u(0)=u(t).\qquad (!)$$ It is a unitary operator it's clear:
$$AA^*=I,\qquad (*)$$
Actually, formulas (*) and (!) are the definition of a rigid body.

Differentiate formula (!):
$$\dot u(t)=\dot A(t)u(0)=\dot A(t)A^{-1}(t)u(t)=\dot A(t)A^*(t)u(t).\qquad (**)$$
The operator ##\Omega=\dot AA^*## is skew-symmetric: ##\Omega^*=-\Omega##. Indeed, just take ##\frac{d}{dt}## from both sides of (*).

And finally, any skew-symmetric operator in ##\mathbb{R}^3## can unequally be presented with the help of (pseudo) vector such that ##\Omega x=\omega\times x,## and correspondingly formula (**) takes the form ##\dot u(t)=\omega\times u(t)##
 
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vanhees71 said:
No, it's very simple!
Simple for you, but probably not to the OP! Personally, I think talk of Lie groups, Lie algebra, and the like is too advanced for an I-level thread.
 
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