Fire & Ambient IR: Is there a Difference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between ambient infrared (IR) radiation and the IR radiation emitted by a candle flame, particularly in the context of designing a flame detector. Participants explore the wavelengths associated with both sources and their implications for detection technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the differences in wavelengths between ambient IR and IR from a candle flame, suggesting the need for a filter circuit for detection.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on wavelengths around 1-2 µm, referencing a source that indicates minimal emission under 2 µm for bodies at 300 K.
  • A participant states that all materials emit all wavelengths but have a characteristic peak based on temperature, noting that for room temperature objects, the peak is around 10 µm, while for a candle flame, it is between 1-4 µm.
  • A later reply confirms that a typical candle flame, with a color temperature of about 2000 K, should have a peak wavelength close to 2 µm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the physics involved, but there is no clear consensus on the specifics of the wavelengths emitted by candle flames versus ambient IR. Multiple viewpoints on the characteristics of IR emissions are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the physics laws mentioned, indicating potential gaps in understanding or assumptions that may not be fully articulated.

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hello
can someone tell me are ambient IR and IR in candle fire has different wave lengths?
I'm trying to make a flame detector,so if there is different wave lengths i can use a filter circuit to filter only fire's IR signal.
Thanks
 
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I think your best bet is to look at wavelengths around 1-2 um. According to Incropera and DeWitt's Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer there's very little emission under 2 um for bodies at 300 K.
 
Mapes said:
I think your best bet is to look at wavelengths around 1-2 um. According to Incropera and DeWitt's Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer there's very little emission under 2 um for bodies at 300 K.

well sir does candel fire emits IR around 1-2um? I'm not familier with physics laws you mentioned.
 
All materials emit all wavelengths, but there's a characteristic peak that's a function of temperature alone. For room temperature objects, it looks like the peak is around 10 um. For a candle flame, 1-4 um.
 
aruna1 said:
well sir does candel fire emits IR around 1-2um? I'm not familier with physics laws you mentioned.
Yes, with a typical candle color temperature of about 2000k, by my calculations 2um should be reasonably close to the peak wavelength emitted.
 
Mapes said:
All materials emit all wavelengths, but there's a characteristic peak that's a function of temperature alone. For room temperature objects, it looks like the peak is around 10 um. For a candle flame, 1-4 um.

uart said:
Yes, with a typical candle color temperature of about 2000k, by my calculations 2um should be reasonably close to the peak wavelength emitted.

thankyou very much both of you sirs:smile:
 

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