Flatness Problem: Deriving Relation from Friedmann Eqns.

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The discussion centers on the flatness problem in cosmology, particularly the derived relation from the Friedmann equations, which connects the density parameter Omega and redshift z. The user seeks clarification on how this relation is derived and its implications for understanding the flatness problem, noting that if Omega_0 deviates from 1, it suggests significant curvature changes over time. Participants explain that the curvature remains constant only if it is exactly zero, and that any deviation from flatness would exponentially increase over time unless initial conditions were nearly perfect or a mechanism like inflation exists. The conversation highlights the confusion around the constancy of curvature and the integer nature of k, which remains fixed despite changes in Omega. Ultimately, the discussion clarifies that while the universe is nearly flat today, it is not perfectly flat, and understanding the flatness problem requires recognizing these nuances.
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Reading about the flatness problem in the standard cosmological model I have came to this relation

<br /> \frac{1-\Omega(t)}{\Omega(t)}=\frac{1-\Omega_0}{\Omega_0} \frac{1}{1+z}<br />

where

<br /> \Omega = \frac{\rho}{\rho_c}<br />

and z is the redshift.

I would like to know where this relation cames from. I supose it cames from the Friedmann equations but I am not getting there...
 
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Start with the first Friedmann equation. Set \Lambda = 0, multiply both sides by 3/8 \pi G \rhp and rearrange terms to get:

\left( \frac{1 - \Omega}{\Omega} \right) \rho a^2 = constant

Evaluate this equation for today with \Omega_0, \rho_0 and a = 1[/tex], and for another cosmological epoch with \Omega, \rho and a[/tex]. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Then, consider that the energy density is matter-dominated and you will get the result.
 
Ok. I get it! Thanks.
But this leads me to another question.
I supposed that the flatness problem was that if \Omega_0 was a little different from 1, then the universe at an early stage would have had a very different \Omega and so the curvature would have been very different from what it is today. By other words, flat at the beginning flat for ever.
But I can see from your reply that the curvature is suppose to be constant (no matter if \Omega changes or not) in time and so it seems that I didnt understand the flatness problem at all...
So my next question is - what is the flatness problem? I would be pleased if someone could give me a explanation or a good reference where I could learn more about it.
 
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The universe must have always been very close, if not exactly 'flat', for the reasons you have already noted. Any deviations pile up exponentially when you run the clock forward [or backwards] from t=0 to the present epoch.
 
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But I can see from your reply that the curvature is suppose to be constant (no matter if \Omega changes or not) in time and so it seems that I didnt understand the flatness problem at all...
In a matter or radiation dominated universe the curvature is only constant if it is exactly zero. Otherwise, as Chronos points out, you can see in your formula that curvature strongly deviates from flatness in a matter (or radiation) dominated universe and that \Omega must be extremely close to one at z \rightarrow \infty for \Omega_0 to be of order unity today.

You could try solve this problem in two ways. Either assume that the initial conditions were such that \Omega was (extremely close to) one, or assume that a mechanism exists that leads the curvature to zero regardless of the initial conditions. The first option is actually no solution to the problem because it merely shifts it. The second option is inflation.
 
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But in the derivation of that relation I got
<br /> \left( \frac{\Omega - 1}{\Omega} \right) \rho a^2 = \frac{3k}{8 \pi}<br />

then you say that in every other epoch the 3k/8 \pi has the same value so that the left side of the relation can be evaluated in any instant t . But that seems to go against the Flatness problem because k changes with \Omega and hence it should change with time. What am I missing?
 
Note that k is an integer with three possible values: -1, 0 or 1, and it cannot change from one value to another. The value 3k/8 \pi is therefore constant in time.
 
Ok. Now I understand. I got confuse with the fact that the universe is almost flat but not flat and because of this I forgot that k was an integer.
Thanks
 
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