Fluid: Archimedes Principle Homework Question

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The discussion revolves around solving a homework problem related to Archimedes' Principle, specifically determining the mass of silver in a Kennedy half-dollar coin. The apparent weight of the coin in water is given, and participants clarify that the actual weight should account for buoyant force. A key mistake identified is the incorrect use of volume in calculations, with suggestions to correctly apply the buoyant force formula. The importance of using the correct value for gravitational acceleration (g) is also emphasized to achieve accurate results. Overall, the community provides guidance on correcting the approach to find the mass of silver in the coin.
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Homework Statement


A Kennedy half-dollar has a mass that is 1.150 x 10-2 kg. The coin is a mixture of silver and copper, and in water weighs 0.1011 N. Determine the mass of silver in the coin.


Homework Equations


Explicit givens: m = 1.150 x 10-2kg
apparent weight = 0.1011N
Implicit givens: density of water = 1 x 103kg/m3
density of copper = 8890 kg/m3
density of silver = 10500 kg/m3
Fg = mg
FB = pwatergV

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the apparent weight is given (0.1011N). the actual weight should be defined using:
Fg = 0.1011 + FB (Buoyancy force)
Fg = 0.1011 + pwatergV

the mass of the coin should be the sum of the mass of silver and copper therefore:
m = msilver + mcopper
m = msilver + pcopperV
I isolated for V since it is an unknown variable in both equations
V = (m - msilver)/pcopper

After substituting V and I solved for msilver and got 9.77 x 10-4kg however the answer which is provided to me is 6.3 x 10-3kg

I don't understand what I did wrong for this question! I've triple checked my work, may someone please point out where I have made a mistake?
 
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I think there is an error in the given numbers.
The buoyant force is mg - .1011 = .0117 N.
V = FB/ρ = .0117/1000 = 1.17 x 10^-5
density of coin: .0116/(1.17 x 10^-5) = 983.
But the coin has to be more dense than water, so this makes no sense.
It would be worth checking the questions to make sure the numbers were copied correctly.
 
I think the numbers will work out.

You were given the mass of the coin in the question statement so you automatically have its weight (mg). The apparent weight in water is also given. The difference in these weights should be the weight of water displaced. From there it's a small hop to the volume. So no need to solve a pair of equations to determine the volume!

So you have total mass and total volume.

To determine the masses of each element present you should be able to set up two equations, one for mass and one for volume, to solve for the individual masses.

Note that the results will be very sensitive to the value used for g. Use g = 9.8m/s2 to get the book result.
 
VincentweZu said:
the mass of the coin should be the sum of the mass of silver and copper therefore:
m = msilver + mcopper
m = msilver + pcopperV
I isolated for V since it is an unknown variable in both equations
V = (m - msilver)/pcopper

I think this is where you went wrong. This V should actually be Vcopper (in other words, the proportionate volume of the coin which the copper takes up). And this is not equal to V the total volume of the coin.

Delphi51 said:
The buoyant force is mg - .1011 = .0117 N.
V = FB/ρ = .0117/1000 = 1.17 x 10^-5
That's right for the buoyant force, but the equation for V should be: V = FB/ρg.

Edit: wow, 3 homework helpers! this guy is getting a lot of attention!
 
BruceW said:
Edit: wow, 3 homework helpers! this guy is getting a lot of attention!

Hey, it's Friday night and things are slow... :smile:
 
BruceW said:
I think this is where you went wrong. This V should actually be Vcopper (in other words, the proportionate volume of the coin which the copper takes up). And this is not equal to V the total volume of the coin.That's right for the buoyant force, but the equation for V should be: V = FB/ρg.

Edit: wow, 3 homework helpers! this guy is getting a lot of attention!

I never caught that mistake haha! Thank you very much!

Thanks everyone for helping out! It has been appreciated.
 
Darn, I didn't even check that formula! Thanks, Bruce.
 
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