Fluid mechanics flowrate problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem involving the flow rate of water in a triangular trough. Participants explore the application of Bernoulli's equation and conservation of mass to determine the time it takes for the water depth to decrease from 2 feet to 1 foot.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their attempt at a solution using Bernoulli's equation and conservation of mass, leading to a calculated time of 36.5 seconds for the water depth to reduce to 1 foot.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of a specific time value (3.04 seconds) mentioned by the original poster, seeking clarification.
  • The original poster later clarifies that the 3.04 seconds was a misstatement and that their intended answer was indeed 36.5 seconds, as per the book.
  • A different participant suggests checking the units of gamma and rho, emphasizing the importance of uniform units in the equations used.
  • This participant also describes their own approach, which involves deriving an expression for the volume of the trough and integrating to find the time, arriving at the same result of 36.5 seconds.
  • The original poster acknowledges an error in their calculation related to the area of the falling water, which they initially expressed in terms of length rather than converting to feet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the final answer of 36.5 seconds, but there is some uncertainty regarding the original poster's calculations and the units used in their equations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the consistency of units in the equations presented, as well as the initial assumptions made by the original poster in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A long water trough of triangular cross section is formed from two planks as is show in Fig P3.66. A gap of 0.1 in. remains at the junction of the two planks. If the water depth initially was 2 ft, how long a time does it take for the water depth to reduce to 1 ft?


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Homework Equations


Bernoulli equation
p+1/2\rhoV2+\gammaz=constant

Conservation of the mass
V1A1=V2A2



The Attempt at a Solution



Q=water flow
V=Velocity of the water
A=Area
Vol=Volume of water
L=Length of the planks
z=height of the water level

A=0.1*L
Vol=L*z(t)2*tan(45)=z(t)2*L

Q=\frac{dVol}{dt}=2z(t)*z'(t)*L

Q=V(t)*A=-0.1*L*V(t)

0.1*L*V(t)=2z(t)*z'(t)*L

0.1*V(t)=2z(t)*z'(t)

V(t)=20z(t)*z'(t) (EQ1)

With the bernoulli equation we can find the velocity of the water in fonction of the height of the water level

\gammaz(t)=1/2*V(t)2*\rho

V(t)=\sqrt{\frac{2z(t)\gamma}{\rho}} (EQ2)

By combining EQ1 and EQ2
20z(t)*z'(t)=\sqrt{\frac{2z(t)\gamma}{\rho}}

\sqrt{z} dz = \frac{\sqrt{\frac{2\gamma}{\rho}}}{20} dt

By integrate

-2z3/2/3 = \frac{\sqrt{\frac{2\gamma}{\rho}}}{20}*t+C

When t=0, z=2 so C=1,89

if I put z=1, t=3.04s and the answer is 36.5s

I'm probably out of line, please help me.

PytLove
 
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I get your answer of 36.5 seconds. But what is the 3.04s?
 
I am sorry my sentence was wrong I meant:

when I put z=1, my answer is 3.04s. But the answer in the book is 36.5s.

I have no idea if my error is at the beginning of the problem or at the end. Please help.


PytLov
 
What are your units of gamma and rho? Are your terms in your equations uniform in units?

My solution is similar to yours. First I found an expression for the volume of the trough.

V = h^2

I use unit length to unclutter the equations. Then I take the derivative of the above expression.

I used Bernoulli's eqn. to get another expression for the rate of change of volume.
It is based on unit length as well.

I equate the derivatives. It is a variable separable differential equation. One variable is height, the other is time.

Then I integrate using definite integrals. The time integral goes from 0 to T. The height integral goes from 2 to 1. You wind up with an expression for T and it works out to be 36.5 seconds.
 
I found my error, I used 0.1*L for the area of the falling water but I needed to put it in feet. Thank you very much, you have no idea how much time I passed on that problem.

PytLov
 
Good for you!
 

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