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The discussion revolves around finding a basis and its dimension for the space of second-degree polynomials that satisfy the condition p(2) = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the structure of the polynomial space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the form of the polynomial and how to express it in terms of parameters a and b. There is an exploration of writing the polynomial in a specific format to identify basis vectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested potential basis vectors and are questioning their independence. There is a recognition of the need to confirm the independence of the proposed basis vectors and the dimension of the space.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that the polynomials must be of degree 2 and that they must satisfy the condition of having 2 as a root. There is an acknowledgment of the infinite nature of vectors in the space, which leads to the need for a finite basis.

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Homework Statement



For each real linear space below, find a basis and its dimension.

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(c) {2nd degree polynomials p such that p(2) = 0}

Homework Equations



Definition of basis and dimension.

The Attempt at a Solution




So, we know that

p(x) = ax2 + bx + c
and
p(2) = 0 = 4a + 2b + c

so that we have

p(x) = ax2 + bx - 4a -2b.

But where do I go from here?
 
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Jamin2112 said:

Homework Statement



For each real linear space below, find a basis and its dimension.

[...]

(c) {2nd degree polynomials p such that p(2) = 0}

Homework Equations



Definition of basis and dimension.

The Attempt at a Solution




So, we know that

p(x) = ax2 + bx + c
and
p(2) = 0 = 4a + 2b + c

so that we have

p(x) = ax2 + bx - 4a -2b.

But where do I go from here?

Try writing it as a(x2-4) + b(x-2)
 
LCKurtz said:
Try writing it as a(x2-4) + b(x-2)

Done.

Now what?
 
the question is asking you to find a set of vectors ( polynomials) that span all polynomials of degree 2 such that 2 is a root for the polynomial. In other words, you need to find polynomials so that every other polynomial of this kind is a linear combination of those.. in other words, the answer is looking right at you :)
 
wisvuze said:
the question is asking you to find a set of vectors ( polynomials) that span all polynomials of degree 2 such that 2 is a root for the polynomial. In other words, you need to find polynomials so that every other polynomial of this kind is a linear combination of those.. in other words, the answer is looking right at you :)

I have p(x) = a(x2-4)+b(x-2)

a and b can be any real number, so I really have an infinite set

{p1(x) = a1(x2-4)+b1(x-2), p2(x) = a2(x2-4)+b2(x-2), p3(x) = a3(x2-4)+b3(x-2), ...}

I'm not sure where this is going in terms of basis, span, etc.
 
Yes, of course. Every vector space contains an infinite number of vectors. The whole point of a basis is to be able to write them, in a unique way, in terms of finite (or at least smaller) set of vectors- the basis.

You now know that any vector in your first set can be written as [itex]ax^2+ bx- 4a- 2b= a(x^2- 4)+ b(x- 2)[/itex]. Therefore, every such vector can be written as a linear combination of what two basis vectors? What is the dimension of that space?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, of course. Every vector space contains an infinite number of vectors. The whole point of a basis is to be able to write them, in a unique way, in terms of finite (or at least smaller) set of vectors- the basis.

You now know that any vector in your first set can be written as [itex]ax^2+ bx- 4a- 2b= a(x^2- 4)+ b(x- 2)[/itex]. Therefore, every such vector can be written as a linear combination of what two basis vectors? What is the dimension of that space?

The basis vectors would be (x2 - 4) and (x - 2), the dimension being 2. Right?
 
Jamin2112 said:
The basis vectors would be (x2 - 4) and (x - 2), the dimension being 2. Right?

It will be 2 if the two basis vectors are independent. Have you checked that?
 
LCKurtz said:
It will be 2 if the two basis vectors are independent. Have you checked that?

They most definitely are independent.
 
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Jamin2112 said:
The basis vectors would be (x2 - 4) and (x - 2), the dimension being 2. Right?

LCKurtz said:
It will be 2 if the two basis vectors are independent. Have you checked that?

Jamin2112 said:
They most definitely are independent.

Sure, and it's easy to show. But it is part of what you need to include in your proof.
 

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