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The discussion centers on calculating the force exerted on a particle located within a hemispherical shell, focusing on the z-direction due to symmetry. The participant is attempting to derive the force using integrals, but encounters confusion regarding the angle theta and the limits of integration. It is clarified that the force component must be adjusted to account for the correct angle relationship, specifically using the cosine of the angle formed by the particle and the shell. Additionally, there are noted errors in the limits of integration, which should reflect the correct boundaries for the variable used. The participant seeks confirmation on their approach and understanding of the problem.
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This might be more of a notational issue, I am working on this problem and just trying to figure out what my prof/ TA did in the solution sheet -- but also to make sure I understand what I am doing.

Homework Statement



Given a spherical shell of radius R and surface density σ, and a particle at position a from the center where 0<a<R. Assume the position a is along the z (vertical) axis.

What is the force on the particle from the smaller hemisphere, described by the part that extends from the top (at z=R) down to where the particle is (at z=a) and where is the center of mass of that hemisphere?

I am using θ as the angle between the origin and the point on the shell that intersects a line drawn through a that is perpendicular to the z axis. (I wish I knew how to post a diagram here, that would make it easier I think, but I hope people get the idea).

Repeat for the larger part of the shell.

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, I know intuitively (and from the symmetry principle) that the rings, each with a mass of dM = 2πRsinθRdθ will exert a net zero force in the x-y plane as we are assuming symmetry here.

So, I only need the force in the z-direction. (By the way I do understand that with a shell you get zero net force and I know how to do that one, this is a bit different).

Anyhow, I want to know the total mass of the smaller part of the shell. That's going to be an integral from 0 to θ. Since the radius of the strip is R cosθ, and the force vector is along the z-axis, I should get this:

<br /> \int dF_z = \int_0^{\theta} \frac{Gm2\pi R \sin \theta R d \theta}{r^2}\cos\theta

where r is the distance from my particle at a to the piece of the shell I want. So far so good.

Now, the distance r is going to be determined by the law of cosines, if I want to get it in terms of θ. So I can say r^2 = a^2 + R^2 - 2aR \cos \theta.

I'm also multiplying stuff by the cosθ which in tems of R and a is \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{2aR}

If I differentiate r^2 -- because I am setting up an integral here -- I get 2rdr = 2aR \sin \theta d \theta. A little algebra gets me \sin \theta d \theta = \frac{2rdr}{2aR} = \frac{rdr}{aR} and I should be able to plug that back into the integral and get:

<br /> \int dF_z = \sigma Gm2\pi R^2 \int_0^{\theta} \frac{rdr}{aR} \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{2aR}

and we have to change the limits, which here would be arccos(a/R) so I have:

<br /> \int dF_z = \sigma Gm2\pi R^2 \int_0^{\cos^{-1} \frac{a}{R}} \frac{rdr}{aR} \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{2aR} = \sigma Gm\pi \int_0^{\cos^{-1} \frac{a}{R}} \frac{rdr}{a^2} \frac{1}{r^2} (R^2+a^2-r^2)
= \sigma Gm\pi \int_0^{\cos^{-1} \frac{a}{R}} \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{a^2} \frac{1}{r} dr = \frac{\sigma Gm\pi}{a^2} \int_0^{\cos^{-1} \frac{a}{R}} \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{r} dr and because \sigma = \frac{M}{4 \pi R^2} the integral looks like:

= \frac{M Gm}{4R^2a^2} \int_0^{\cos^{-1} \frac{a}{R}} \frac{R^2+a^2-r^2}{r} dr

So my question is, how am I doing so far? I feel like there is something I am missing -- because the answer sheet says that I should get \frac{M Gm}{4Ra^2}2(\sqrt{R^2-a^2}-2R

and I am not entirely sure if I got the final integral right. I don't think I did...

thanks in advance.
 
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The error is a confusion over the angle theta.
Let the centre of the full sphere be O and the particle be at P. Consider a point Q on the band of the sphere distance r from P. According to the equation ##r^2=R^2+a^2-2aR\cos(\theta)##, theta is the angle POQ. The force from the element at Q exerted at P is in the direction PQ, not in the direct OQ. Thus, to get the component along the line OP we need to multiply by the cosine of pi - angle QPO, not the cosine of angle theta. That is, the cos(theta) factor needs to be changed to ##\frac{R\cos(\theta)-a}r##.

There are also some errors in the limits. In the first integral, theta is both the variable of integration and the upper limit. That's a common 'pun' in indefinite integrals, but here we want a definite integral. The upper limit should be ##\arccos(a/R)##. Later that limit is shown, but now the variable of integration is r, so the limits should change to reflect that.
 
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