What is the Relationship Between Force, Power, and Work in a Particle System?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between force, power, and work in a particle system, specifically how to calculate work and power when both force and displacement are functions of time. Participants clarify that work can be expressed as the integral of force over displacement, and since both are time-dependent, they suggest using the relationship W = ∫ F(t)v(t)dt. Instantaneous power is defined as the product of instantaneous force and velocity, emphasizing the need for differentiation over time to find power accurately. The conversation also touches on the distinction between average and instantaneous power, highlighting that the latter is more relevant in this context. Overall, the integration and differentiation methods discussed are crucial for solving problems involving variable forces and displacements.
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I have a question where I have a force F(t) acting on particle ,
I intgrate 2 times and find X(t) , i used innitial conditions given x=0 , t=0 , v=0 .

1) now they ask me to write the work done by the power between t=0 , t=<epsilon> I know that dw=F dot DX but here the f and x are both functions of t so ... ?

2) after that i need to write the power of the force on time t>0 i think interval t=0 , t=t ... ?

thank's in advance
 
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You have dx/dt = ... -> dx = ...dt
W = \int_{x_0}^{x}Fdx = \int_{t_0}^{t}F(t)...dt

You know F in terms of t to get the solution.

2)
P = Fv = F(t)v(t), which you already have.
 
yes but you don't put in consideration that x is function of t it\s integral of F(t)d(x(t)) or something

2) I know that p=FV when the force is constant here it isn't ?!
 
sAXIn,

There are two options actually.

Suppose (i take x and F both along the x-axis, but you know that the integrandum of the work is a SCALAR product of two vectors)
F = 2
x = t²

You just need to substitute everything towards t...
Then W = \int Fdx = \int 2d(t^2) = \int 4tdt

Make sure that you adapt the boundaries.

or, since you know the velocity , you can calculate the kinetic energy and you know that work is equal to the difference in kinetic energy between the end and beginning of the motion : W = E_{k}^{FINAL} - E_k^{BEGINNING}

marlon
 
1) Of course it is used:

W = \int_{t_0}^{t}F(t)v(t)dt

where dx = v(t)dt. So what's the problem.

2)
You need instantaneous power, which is the product of instantaneous force at time t and instantaneous velocity at time t. If you had used

P = \frac{\Delta W}{\Delta t}

then it would have been average power that doesn't apply in this problem.

If you're skeptic:

P = \frac{d}{dt}[W(t)] = \frac{d}{dt}(\int_{}^{}F(t)vdt) = Fv


where you well know that dx = vdt.
 
I got it's the same : I can integrate f(t)v(t)and then def. by dt so its = power or just skip it and f(t)v(t) is my power ! thanks a lot ...
 
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