Solve the Mystery of Force 2 on a 2.43 kg Box

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The discussion focuses on solving for the second force acting on a 2.43 kg box, given one force and the acceleration. The user attempts to calculate Force 2 using the equation F2 = ma - F1 but struggles with vector resolution and the correct application of angles. Participants emphasize the need to resolve forces into components, particularly in relation to the direction of acceleration, which is in the third quadrant. There is confusion regarding the angle's relationship to the forces involved, and the importance of understanding vector addition is highlighted. The conversation suggests that without proper vector resolution skills, solving the problem accurately is challenging.
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Homework Statement


There are two forces on the 2.43 kg box in the overhead view of the figure but only one is shown. For F1 = 20.0 N, a = 11.4 m/s2, and θ = 33.0°, find the second force (a) in unit-vector notation and as (b) a magnitude and (c) a direction. (State the direction as a negative angle measured from the +x direction.)The acceleration is in the third quadrant.

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So, I used F2 = m(a) - F1. To try and find Force 2 and used cos and sin to fine it in vector notation. Apparently I got that wrong, HELP!

The Attempt at a Solution


I used cos and sin to fine it in vector notation. Apparently I got that wrong, HELP!

So for a I got F2 = 2.43 * 11.4 - 20 which resulted in 7.03 or something and pluged that into (7.03 sin 33 degrees) and to find (j) and did the same with cos to find (i)

It didn't work, and magnitude and direction ended up being wrong because a) was wrong HEEEELP
 

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With no diagram, the set-up is far from clear. Is the given angle the angle between F1 and the acceleration?
If so, it makes no sense to subtract F1 from ma as mere numbers. You can only do scalar addition and subtraction for vectors in the same direction.
Think about the net force in the direction of acceleration and the net force at right angles to that.
 
haruspex said:
With no diagram, the set-up is far from clear. Is the given angle the angle between F1 and the acceleration?
If so, it makes no sense to subtract F1 from ma as mere numbers. You can only do scalar addition and subtraction for vectors in the same direction.
Think about the net force in the direction of acceleration and the net force at right angles to that.
here it is, sorry
 

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copypacer said:
here it is, sorry
Ok, my guess was almost right, and my comments stand.
 
copypacer said:
here it is, sorry
Wait I'm confused D:

Both the acceleration and force 2 are in the third quadrant, so its negative, wouldn't I still use F2 = ma - F1

so what do I do, since the two forces are not in the same direction?

I don't get it DX
 
haruspex said:
Ok, my guess was almost right, and my comments stand.
I'm trying to find the second force, so how would I solve that?
 
copypacer said:
Wait I'm confused D:

Both the acceleration and force 2 are in the third quadrant, so its negative, wouldn't I still use F2 = ma - F1

so what do I do, since the two forces are not in the same direction?

I don't get it DX
Do you know how to resolve a force into components?
 
haruspex said:
Do you know how to resolve a force into components?

...no...wait...no I don't
 
copypacer said:
...no...wait...no I don't
Well, that's rather basic, and I don't know how you would be expected to solve this problem without having been taught that.
There's a lots of stuff on the net. Try one of these:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/Lesson-3/Resolution-of-Forces

http://www.s-cool.co.uk/a-level/phy...n/revise-it/resolving-vectors-into-components
As I said, in the present problem you need to resolve the given force into a component in the direction of acceleration and another at right angles to that.
 
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