Formula to Calculate Bending Moment of Beam Under UDL and Point Load

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The discussion revolves around the formulas for calculating the bending moment of beams subjected to uniformly distributed loads (UDL) and point loads. Participants explore various scenarios, including horizontal and vertical beams, and the implications of different support conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants inquire about the formulas for bending moments under UDL and point loads, with some stating specific equations such as bending moment (UDL) = WL^2/8 and bending moment (point load) = Force x Distance.
  • There is confusion regarding the application of different formulas, particularly in the context of cantilever beams and the effect of support conditions.
  • Some participants mention that the maximum bending moment for a simply supported beam under UDL occurs at the center, while others provide alternative formulas for different loading scenarios.
  • Discussion includes the impact of support types (fixed, free, simply supported) on bending moments, with a participant noting the importance of understanding how the ends of the beam are supported.
  • One participant suggests that a centrally loaded column does not incur first-order bending moments unless subjected to lateral loads, while others discuss the implications of fixed-fixed beams and the need for indeterminate structural analysis in certain cases.
  • References to external resources, such as standard tables for bending moments, are made, indicating that these can provide clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate formulas to use for various beam configurations and loading conditions. There is no consensus on a single formula, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the bending moments for vertical beams subjected to both UDL and point loads.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clarity on assumptions regarding support conditions and the specific loading scenarios being discussed. Some formulas may depend on the type of beam and loading configuration, which has not been fully resolved in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


1.What is the formula to calculate the bending moment of a beam subjected to UDL?
2.What is the formula to calculate the bending moment of a beam subjected to point load?

Homework Equations



Bending moment (UDL) = WL^2/8 (Kg-mm or Kg-m)

Bending moment (point load) = Force x Distance ( This is actually for a horizontal beam with load acting is a point load) (Kg-mm or Kg-m)

What is the formula for bending moment of a vertical beam subjected to a point load and a UDL on the top of it (load applied axially)?

The Attempt at a Solution



I come through several formulas, like (W * X)(X/2) when a UDL is acting over the cantilever beam. I am bit confused how do they arrive with these formulas and where should I use what?
 
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buytree said:

Homework Statement


1.What is the formula to calculate the bending moment of a beam subjected to UDL?
2.What is the formula to calculate the bending moment of a beam subjected to point load?

Homework Equations



Bending moment (UDL) = WL^2/8 (Kg-mm or Kg-m)

Bending moment (point load) = Force x Distance ( This is actually for a horizontal beam with load acting is a point load) (Kg-mm or Kg-m)

What is the formula for bending moment of a vertical beam subjected to a point load and a UDL on the top of it (load applied axially)?

The Attempt at a Solution



I come through several formulas, like (W * X)(X/2) when a UDL is acting over the cantilever beam. I am bit confused how do they arrive with these formulas and where should I use what?

Well a UDL is like a "rectangularly" distributed load, so the load effectively acts at the center of the beam i.e. at a distance of L/2. Since the entire length is L, the load is WL (since UDL = W N/m)

so BM = Force*distance = (WL)(L/2)
 


You also need to know something about how the ends of the beam are supported. Are they fixed, free, or simply supported?
 


For a horizontal simply supported beam of length L subject to udl w, the maximum bending moment is at the centre and equal to
wL^2/8 distributed along the span parabolically.
For a horizontal simply supported beam of length L, and subject to a point load P at mid-span, the maximum bending moment is PL/4. If the point load is applied at aL (0<a<L) from one end, the maximum bending moment is Pa(1-a)/L just under the load.
The bending moment at any other point on the span can be found by simple statics.

"What is the formula for bending moment of a vertical beam subjected to a point load and a UDL on the top of it (load applied axially)?"
That would be a centrally loaded column, if I understand correctly.
 


SteamKing: The ends are fixed, there is no movement in any direction.
 


Thanks everyone for your effects in helping me.
rock.freak667 said:
Well a UDL is like a "rectangularly" distributed load, so the load effectively acts at the center of the beam i.e. at a distance of L/2. Since the entire length is L, the load is WL (since UDL = W N/m)

so BM = Force*distance = (WL)(L/2)

mathmate said:
For a horizontal simply supported beam of length L subject to udl w, the maximum bending moment is at the centre and equal to
wL^2/8 distributed along the span parabolically.
Check the above post by rock.freak667, it says BM = (WL)(L/2) and you say wL^2/8. I am guessing wL^2/8 is the right BM for the beam, then what's the other formula for?
For a horizontal simply supported beam of length L, and subject to a point load P at mid-span, the maximum bending moment is PL/4. If the point load is applied at aL (0<a<L) from one end, the maximum bending moment is Pa(1-a)/L just under the load.
The bending moment at any other point on the span can be found by simple statics.

"What is the formula for bending moment of a vertical beam subjected to a point load and a UDL on the top of it (load applied axially)?"
That would be a centrally loaded column, if I understand correctly.
Yes exactly it is a centrally loaded column which is subjected to load on top of it, so what's the BM for UDL and point load?
 


rock.freak667 will have to interpret the application of his formula.
wL^2/8 is the maximum BM at the centre of a udl of w kg/m for a simply supported beam.

In fact, all these questions about formulas can be resolved by standard tables available in books or the web, such as:
http://structsource.com/analysis/types/beam.htm

You will find the required formulas for the fixed supports subject to udl in your case at the above link. Bending moments at different lengths along the span has to be obtained by superimposing the simply supported moment (parabolic) with the end moments by statics.

For the vertical "beam", are both loads (point and udl) applied vertically and axially?

A centrally loaded column not subject to lateral loads does not incur first order bending moments. Second and higher order bending moments could be caused by lateral buckling or deflections (P-delta effects).
 
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mathmate:In the above link you gave if I use the formula for the FIXED-FIXED BEAM WITH UNIFORM LOAD (my case), my BM at the center would be for x=L/2 is WL^2/24. Hoping this would help, let me check and get back to you. Thanks mathmate.

And my column is only loaded vertically downward over the top. Sorry I might have confused in the above posts.
 


Maximum positive bending moment at the centre of wL^2/24 is correct for a fixed-fixed beam.

If you are doing the design of a beam, do not forget that the negative support moments of wL^2/12 are higher than that at the centre.

Draw the bending moment diagram would make it clear.
 
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mathmate said:
Maximum positive bending moment at the centre of wL^2/24 is correct for a fixed-fixed beam.

If you are doing the design of a beam, do not forget that the negative support moments of wL^2/12 are higher than that at the centre.

Draw the bending moment diagram would make it clear.

I assume the above case is only for the horizontal beams, what about the BM for column with UDL and point load?
 
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As per my previous response:

"A centrally loaded column not subject to lateral loads does not incur first order bending moments. Second and higher order bending moments could be caused by lateral buckling or deflections (P-delta effects)."

Is the column monolithic with other structures? If so, there would have to be bending moments at the junctions and would not be considered as purely centrally loaded.

This bending moment (at the junction of beam/column) has to be calculated with an indeterminate structural analysis taking into account of the loads on the beam, size (stiffness) of the beams and columns, and load on the column, the possible deflections due to lateral (wind, earthquake, etc.) or asymmetrical loading, etc.
 
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Thanks. I got it.
 

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