Statics engineering: Beam bending problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a statics engineering problem involving a beam subjected to point loads and a uniformly distributed load (UDL). Participants are attempting to determine the vertical reactions at the supports and sketch the shear force diagram for the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem statement and initial equations for calculating vertical reactions at the supports.
  • Another participant requests a diagram for the shear force, indicating a need for visual representation.
  • Several participants suggest using moment sums about each support to find the reactions more efficiently.
  • There are multiple attempts to calculate the reactions, with varying results and some uncertainty about the correctness of the distances used in the moment equations.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of taking moments about the supports to simplify the equations and reduce the number of unknowns.
  • Another participant provides a method for constructing the shear force diagram, suggesting a conceptual approach to understanding the forces acting on the beam.
  • One participant expresses confidence in their calculations, noting that the forces now add up to 80 kN, which aligns with expectations based on the diagram.
  • There is a suggestion to seek external resources, such as videos, for further understanding of the shear force diagram.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches and calculations for determining the reactions, with no clear consensus on the correct values. Some participants agree on the method of using moment sums, while others question the accuracy of specific calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final values of the reactions and the shear force diagram.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in the moment equations, as some participants note discrepancies in the distances used. Additionally, the treatment of the UDL as a force acting at the center of the beam is mentioned but not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement

a beam is 10 m long with point loads of 10kN at 3m from left and 20kN 10m from left.

R1 and R2 these supports are 2m in from either end of the beam. The beam has a UDL of 5kN/m-1 along its length.

Homework Equations



(a) determine the vertical reaction at the support(b) sketch the shear force diagram for the beam

The Attempt at a Solution


(10*1)+(10*6)+(20*10) = (R2*6)+(10*2)

im not sure at all

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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kelvin scott said:
b) sketch the shear force diagram for the beam
Please post your diagram for this. Thanks.
 
ok
 

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Start by writing a moment sum about each support. That should get you to the reactions rather quickly..
 
ok so the moment sum should be R1
2R1 = (10*1) +(50*6)+(20*8)
2R1= 10 + 300 +160
R1 = 470/2
R1 =235

and R2

8R2 = (10*5) +(50*8) +(20*8)
8R2 =50 +400+160
R2 = 610/8
R2 = 76.25

not sure I am right on the length, and sorry for the delay
 
kelvin scott said:
ok so the moment sum should be R1
2R1 = (10*1) +(50*6)+(20*8)
2R1= 10 + 300 +160
R1 = 470/2
R1 =235

and R2

8R2 = (10*5) +(50*8) +(20*8)
8R2 =50 +400+160
R2 = 610/8
R2 = 76.25

not sure I am right on the length, and sorry for the delay

A quick check would be to add up R1 and R2 to see whether all the forces in the vertical direction sum to 0, which I don't think is true here...

Also, with your moment equation for R1, you seem to be defining the distances from different spots within the same equation. The general advice when doing these moment equations is to take moments about the supports. Why? If we take moments about the supports, then the reaction at that support will equal \vec 0 as \vec Moment = \vec r \times \vec F and thus we will only have 1 unknown in the equation (the other support). For example, in your equation for R1, you should take moments about support 2. The equation should read something like (defining clockwise as positive):

6R1 - (5*10) - (5 * 10 * 3) + (20 * 2) = 0 (P.s. you need to remember to turn the UDL into a force and treat it as a force acting in the centre of the beam).

Do the same for R2.

For the shear force diagram, I like to start from the left and move left to right. Conceptually, you should be asking yourself: "If I was to consider everything to the left of where I am looking at now, what force in what direction would I need to provide to keep the beam stable?" That is basically what the shear force diagram is.

If you have further questions, I am happy to respond, but I think this should be enough to make some good progress.
 
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ok so

(10*1)+(50*3)+(20*8)=R2*6
10+150+160=r2*6
320 =R2*6
320/6 =R2= 53.33

R1*6=(10*5)+((50*3) - (20*2)
R1*6 =50+150-40
R1 =160/6 = 26.67

my attempt
 
kelvin scott said:
ok so

(10*1)+(50*3)+(20*8)=R2*6
10+150+160=r2*6
320 =R2*6
320/6 =R2= 53.33

R1*6=(10*5)+((50*3) - (20*2)
R1*6 =50+150-40
R1 =160/6 = 26.67

my attempt

Seems right as we would expect R2 to be greater from looking at the diagram. Furthermore, the forces now add up to 80 kN.

Now, to do the shear force diagram, I would suggest you go away and try to learn about it and make an attempt. It would be quite a bit of information for me to type up here and you would be better served by a youtube video. Simply searching 'shear force diagram' into youtube should yield many good videos (note: the convention used in the videos may be the opposite to that taught in your school, this means that you would flip the graph over the x axis, f(-x) -- this was the case for me)

Once you have made an attempt, I am happy to answer further questions.
 
ok thank you ,.
 

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