Formula to calculate the pull force between a magnet and a steel plate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pull force between a neodymium magnet and a steel plate under two conditions: with no gap and with a 0.15mm copper plate introduced between them. Participants explore the effects of the copper plate on the pull strength and seek a mathematical formula for these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a simple mathematical formula to calculate the pull force between a neodymium magnet and a steel plate under specified conditions.
  • Another participant suggests an approximation for the attraction force as A = c/d^2, where c is a coupling constant and d is the distance between the magnet and the metal surface.
  • A link to a calculator is provided, but it is noted that a simple formula may not be accurate.
  • Some participants mention that the introduction of a copper plate acts similarly to an air gap due to its relative permeability being close to 1.
  • A proposed calculation method involves determining the magnetic flux density and then calculating the force based on that density.
  • Questions arise regarding the references for the proposed formulas and the availability of accurate calculations from external sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the simplicity and accuracy of the formulas available for calculating the pull force. There is no consensus on a definitive formula, and multiple approaches and approximations are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the magnetic flux density can vary based on the load line and the reluctance introduced by the steel. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately calculating the pull force due to various factors.

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need a simple mathematical formula to calculate the pull strength of a neodymium magnet
i have a neobydium magnet of grade n40 , the diameter of magnet is 15mm and thickness is 10 mm ,
now i want to calculate the pull force between this magnet and a steel plate when there is no gap between them ;
& in second case i want to calculate the pull force when i put a 0.15mm copper plate between magnet and steel plate ,
does introducing copper plate reduce the pull strength , and if yes how ?
can you get me a formula by which i can calculate the pull strenth of magnet in the above mentioned conditions
i need a simple mathematical formula
 
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I think a good, off-the-top-of-my-head, approximation of the attraction of a magnet to a metal surface would be:
A = c/d^2; were A= attraction force, c = coupling constant for a any given combination of magnet type and metal surface type (to be determined by experimentation). d = the distance between the magnet and the metal surface. You will need to select the desired units (metric, imperial etc.) and add additional factors to equate the terms.
 
i know this website but my boss wants a mathematical formula that can give the pull force and i can't find it anywhere on internet
 
As others have mentioned, calculating this force is not so easy, the flux density of the magnet for example will vary according to the load line and the introduced reluctance from the steel.

An easy one though is the copper plate spacer, since PM's are a DC field, the copper with its relative permeability of ~1 simply acts as if it were an air gap.
 
An approximate calculation can be as follows:

1) calculate the magnetic flux density at distance z on the disc central axis:

B=Br/2*((D+z)/sqrt(R^2+(D+z)^2)-z/sqrt(R^2+z^2))

2) calculate the force

F=B^2*A/2/μo=B^2*A/(8*п)*10^7 [N]

B in T[Wb/m^2] ; A[area] in m^2

Force between magnet and steel plate.jpg
 
Good morning, i hope you are having a great day. I would like to ask if you have the references for this formula. Thanks!
 
It seems to me the above link does not allow in 2021 to get the formula. However I got it only this way in 2019!
 

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