French scientists discover method to change the speed of light.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a recent discovery by French scientists regarding the ability to control the speed of light in optical fibers. Participants explore the implications of this finding, including potential applications in telecommunications and computing, while also addressing misconceptions about faster-than-light (FTL) claims and the nature of light propagation in different media.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the practical applications of controlling light speed in fiber optics, suggesting it could enhance global communications.
  • Others caution against misinterpretations of the findings, emphasizing that the speed of light is being altered in a medium, not in a vacuum.
  • A participant references Dr. Kaku's analogy about light being slowed down due to the medium's structure, comparing it to navigating an obstacle course.
  • There is a question regarding the theoretical basis for speeding up light, with some expressing skepticism about its practical applications.
  • One participant clarifies that while the group velocity of a light pulse can appear to exceed the speed of light, no individual photon travels faster than light in a vacuum.
  • Another participant notes that the phenomenon of light speed alteration is limited to media like optical fibers and does not apply in space.
  • Concerns are raised about the distinction between the speed of light in a vacuum and the speed of light propagation in a medium, with emphasis on the absorption and re-emission process in fiber optics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of enthusiasm for the potential applications of the discovery and skepticism regarding the implications of FTL claims. There is no consensus on the practical applications of speeding up light or the theoretical underpinnings of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is constrained by the understanding of light behavior in different media and the limitations of current technology in achieving these effects in a vacuum or space.

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Wow sounds like this could have actual pratical applications. "Part" of the signal moving FTL? Anyone have some Kaku-like insight into this?
 
From the link:
A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light – both slowing it down and speeding it up – in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry.

On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth – just a little bit.

1) It's in a MEDIUM (the fiber) not a VACUUM.
2) It's about PULSES, not BEAMS.

Every time some scientists show a useful trick with light in media, some reporter has a conniption fit about FASTER THAN LIGHT!
 
I just wanted to here peoples thoughts on this.
 
I think you are missing a large point which is the usefulness of bing able to slow down light in a standard fiber cable. It's not like they claim to have built a time machine. This could be a huge step in providing a seamless communications network for the planet couldn't it? As far as speeding up light in a standard fiber cable I'd like to hear the concept, the article didnt really explain nor could I find it elsewhere.
 
Dr. Kaku has often described light as not truly having been slowed down but given more area to move in, so it seems as if it's been slowed.
Sort of like if you ride your bike zig zaggy, it will take you a lot longer to get from point A to B than it would if you biked in a straight line.
You could also say like an obstacle course slows an athlete down.
 
Yes that makes sense but what is their theory behind speeding it up since you can't make the distance shorter? I can't imagine that that part of it has any practical application but the idea behind it would be of interest.
 
Hi,

It is the group velocity of a light pulse made up of various frequencies that is said to go ftl.

No single photon actually goes ftl, but the velocity of the pulse of photons appears too. It is similar to an interference phenomena.

juju
 
It would truly become helpful if we could do this in space. Especially when sending messages between Earth and mars. But from what I understand, this speeding up and slowing down can only be controlled in a medium.
 
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since light travels slower than the 'speed of light' in media like optic cables, it is not actually the 'speed of light' that is being changed, but the speed of propagation in a medium. The difference seems huge to me. On one hand, you have photons flying through space at the true speed of light (c), and on the other, you have light being absorbed and re-emitted in a bucket-brigade arrangement through a medium.
 

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