Frequency of EM Waves in an LC Circuit

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The discussion centers on the frequency of electromagnetic (EM) waves produced by oscillating currents in LC circuits, with a focus on the conditions under which these frequencies may vary. Participants explore concepts related to self-resonance, external driving frequencies, and the mechanisms of EM wave production in devices like magnetrons.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the frequency of EM waves produced in an LC circuit can match the frequency of the oscillating current, depending on the circuit's conditions.
  • Others argue that if the LC circuit is self-resonant or driven by an external input, the frequency of the EM waves may differ from that of the current.
  • A participant raises a question about whether EM waves in a magnetron are produced by current oscillations in the LRC cavity or by the acceleration of electrons between the cathode and plate.
  • Another participant suggests that the geometry of the magnetron cavity is analogous to the physical parameters in an LC circuit, indicating that the driving force rather than the physical components determines the output frequency.
  • One participant clarifies that the circulating electrons in the magnetron create EM oscillations, linking this to the electron cyclotron frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of EM wave production in LC circuits and magnetrons, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the influence of external driving frequencies and the lossy nature of circuits on resonant frequencies, but these aspects remain unresolved in terms of their implications for the overall discussion.

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Will the frequency of EM waves produced by oscillating current in an LC circuit be the same as the frequency of the current?

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It depends on whether the LC circuit is self-resonant (like in a Colpitts oscillator), or whether it is being driven by an external input at an off-resonant frequency. Suppose the plate circuit (of a vacuum tube) is set to 10.0123 MHz, and the grid is being driven at 10.0000 MHz. The EM waves would be at 10.0000 MHz. Furthermore, because the LC resonant circuit is lossy (has a resistive component), this will also detune the LC resonant frequency of the circuit.
 
Hey Bob,

Thanks again for a very helpful reply.

One major question I have:

Are the EM waves produced by the magnetron produced due to oscillations of current in the LRC cavity, or due to the acceleration of the electrons in between the cathode and plate?
 
I am not quite sure what your question is, but the geometry of the magnetron cavity (slot dimensions, etc,) is equivalent to the physical L and C in a plate circuit (of a vacuum tube). The driving frequency in a magnetron is set by the magnitude of the magnetic field, e.g., 875 Gauss for 2.45 GHz (microwave oven). In both the vacuum tube and the magnetron, the driving force (grid signal or magnetic field) and not the physical parameters (L & C or magnetron geometry) determines the outout frequency
 
Bob S said:
I am not quite sure what your question is, but the geometry of the magnetron cavity (slot dimensions, etc,) is equivalent to the physical L and C in a plate circuit (of a vacuum tube). The driving frequency in a magnetron is set by the magnitude of the magnetic field, e.g., 875 Gauss for 2.45 GHz (microwave oven). In both the vacuum tube and the magnetron, the driving force (grid signal or magnetic field) and not the physical parameters (L & C or magnetron geometry) determines the outout frequency

I mean to say, LC circuits produce EM waves due to current oscillation. Is this the source of the microwaves? Or is the source instead, the electrons orbitting the cathode being decelerated/accelerated giving off their energy as EM waves?
 
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You are right. The electrons in the magnetron are a current, and bunches of electrons circulating (at the electron cyclotron frequency) past the vanes in the magnetron produce an EM oscillation in the cavities. An old friend of mine designed the rising sun magnetron for his PH.D. thesis during WW II.
 

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