Friction as a reduction of power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between friction and the power output of a motor. Participants explore how varying levels of friction affect the overall power available for useful work, particularly in the context of a project involving motor performance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • James seeks assistance in understanding how friction impacts the power output of a motor, specifically asking for a mathematical explanation.
  • One participant assumes that "X amount of friction" refers to a constant friction force and explains that power can be calculated as Force times speed, leading to a scenario where maximum speed is reached when all power is consumed by friction.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for overall power, suggesting that it can be expressed as Motor Output Power minus the product of friction and speed.
  • A similar formula is reiterated, emphasizing that the remaining power after overcoming friction can be used for useful work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the basic relationship between friction and power output, but there is no consensus on the specific mathematical formulation or implications of the discussed equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the assumptions regarding the constancy of friction or the conditions under which the proposed equations hold true. There is also no resolution on how to handle varying speeds or changing frictional forces.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in motor performance, particularly in relation to friction and power calculations in engineering or physics projects.

Tawaffles
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Hi.

I was wondering if someone could help me out. I am trying to work out what a value of friction will do to the power of a motor. For example, if I know the power output of the motor is 1W, and I introduce X amount of friction, what will the resulting output in power be.

Could someone please explain how I can do this? I am not great with maths but I need to know this for my project.

Regards,

James
 
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I assume that, by "X amount of friction" you mean the actual Force of the friction (X) (you can ignore the fact that you would have rotation etc. involved) and that this force is constant at all speeds.
Power is Force times speed, so this would imply that you have a maximum possible speed v where
Available Power = X times v
Under these conditions you would have no more power left to do anything useful with the motor because all the power would be used up just keeping going.
When a car reaches its maximum speed (assume on the flat), it has no more power left to accelerate with and all its power is used up in overcoming the friction forces.
 
So can it be said that:

Overall power = Motor Output Power - (Friction [X]) x V)
 
Tawaffles said:
So can it be said that:

Overall power = Motor Output Power - (Friction [X]) x V)

Or rather Available Power = Motor Output Power - (Friction [X]) x V
What you have left can be used for useful work.
 

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