Frictional force acting between 2 stacked blocks

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The discussion revolves around calculating the static frictional force between two stacked blocks, A and B, with given masses and acceleration. The correct static frictional force is determined to be 20 N when the applied force is assumed to act on the bottom block A. Confusion arises regarding the application of force and the lack of information about the coefficient of friction with the ground, which complicates the solution if the force is applied to the top block B. Ultimately, the conclusion is that the problem is poorly stated, but the frictional force can be accurately calculated under the assumption that the force acts on block A. The final answer aligns with the provided answer key, confirming the static frictional force as 20 N.
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Homework Statement


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In the figure above, block A has mass ##m_A=25kg## and block B has mass ##m_B=10kg##. Both blocks move with constant acceleration ##a=2m/s^2## to the right, and the coefficient of static friction between the two blocks is ##\mu_s = 0.8##. The static frictional force acting between the blocks is:
A) 20 N
B) 50 N
C) 78 N
D) 196 N
E) 274 N

Homework Equations



##F_{net} = ma##
## f_s = \mu_s N ## (if blocks are at the point of slipping)

The correct answer is supposed to be A) 20N.

The Attempt at a Solution



Looking at the system as a whole the overall force F acting on the blocks is:

## F = (m_A + m_B)a = (25+10)(2) N = 70N ##

I was confused about this question because it doesn't say if this force is applied to the top or bottom block. For example if it was applied to the bottom block A you have:

Block A: ## F - f_s = m_A a ## giving ## f_s = 70 - (25)(2) = 20N ##

Block B: ## f_s = m_B a ## giving ## f_s = (10)(2) = 20N ##

Which gives the frictional force as 20N, as given in the answer key.

However if the force F was applied to the top block B you have:

Block A: ## f_s = m_A a ## giving ## f_s = (25)(2) = 50N ##

Block B: ## F - f_s = m_B a ## giving ## f_s = 70 - (10)(2) = 50N ##

But this gives the frictional force between the blocks as 50N.

So I was wondering how this problem is supposed to be solved, given only the information in the question.
 
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Rococo said:
I was confused about this question because doesn't say if this force is applied to the top or bottom block.
Bad problem statement, but applying it to the upper one would be very unusual, it would also mean there is information missing (the coefficient of friction with the surface).
 
mfb said:
Bad problem statement, but applying it to the upper one would be very unusual, it would also mean there is information missing (the coefficient of friction with the surface).

Thank you, I think I see now, that I should have said the 70N is actually the net force ##F_{net}## acting on the block system, which will be equal to ##F - f_g## where ##F## is the 'applied force' and ##f_g## is the friction between the ground and the block system.

Then if the force F was applied to the top block B you get:

Block A: ## f_s - f_g = m_A a##
Block B: ## F - f_s = m_B a##

From which it's impossible to find the frictional force between the blocks, ##f_s##, since as you said the coefficient of friction with the ground is unknown, and we only know ##F_{net} = F - f_g##.

So the force F must be applied to the bottom block A giving:

Block A: ## F - f_g - f_s = m_A a ## i.e. ## F_{net} - f_s = m_A a##
Block B: ## f_s = m_B a ##

Which gives ## f_s = 20N ## as given in the answer key.
 
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