Future - Innovation in Compressed Air Technology

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The discussion centers on the future of compressors and compressed air technology, exploring potential innovations and advancements in the field. Participants consider the evolution of compressor technology, its efficiency, and the possibility of entirely new systems replacing traditional models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while there may not be revolutionary breakthroughs on the horizon, advancements in gas production methods could reduce the need for traditional compressors.
  • Others argue that the simplicity of compressor design, governed by thermodynamic principles, limits the potential for significant innovation.
  • One participant highlights the inefficiencies of adiabatic compression and proposes that isothermal compression could mitigate wasted thermal energy.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that new compression systems must fill specific industrial niches, either by performing previously impossible tasks or by offering lower costs compared to existing machinery.
  • Some participants mention ongoing developments in isothermal and cryogenic compression technologies, particularly for hydrogen applications, including the use of ionic fluids and two-stage machines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the future of compressor technology. While some express skepticism about revolutionary changes, others point to specific areas of development that could lead to significant advancements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current compressor technologies, including the dependence on thermodynamic principles and the challenges associated with achieving higher pressures in emerging applications.

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Let's talk about the future of compressors and compressed air technology. Of course, the first compressor appeared a long time ago and the technology is developing to provide more efficient and modern models. Do you see any breakthrough innovation for this technology in the future, like a move from regular cameras to digital ones, to downloadable music, mini memory discs etc.

It would be interesting to hear whta the future of air compressors could be, if they could be "distinct" in a decade replaced by a completely different technology.
 
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Welcome to PF.

It is unlikely that any revolutionary breakthroughs are on the horizon, since compressors are relativley simple devices governed by relatively straightforward thermodynamic principles that determine their efficiency.
 
There haven't been any (and probably won't be) real breakthroughs in compressor technology but there have been some advances in the production of gases with very high pressures. These methods essentially remove the need for a compressor in the manufacturing/storing of gases such as H2, which not only yields a more efficient production process but a cheaper product as well.

http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/online/news/articles/2009-03/Proton-Energy-Systems-Announces-
 
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russ_watters said:
It is unlikely that any revolutionary breakthroughs are on the horizon, since compressors are relativley simple devices governed by relatively straightforward thermodynamic principles that determine their efficiency.
The biggest problem in conventional compressors is that the compression is largely adiabatic (p v1.4= constant for air), so the gas heats up as it is compressed (like in a diesel engine). Even if the compressor were water cooled to remove the heat, this thermal energy is still wasted. Possibly a slow compression process could be isothermal, and prevent this wasted heat energy.
 
Bob S said:
The biggest problem in conventional compressors is that the compression is largely adiabatic (p v1.4= constant for air), so the gas heats up as it is compressed (like in a diesel engine). Even if the compressor were water cooled to remove the heat, this thermal energy is still wasted. Possibly a slow compression process could be isothermal, and prevent this wasted heat energy.

This is a good start for a "disruptive innovation".
 
russ_watters said:
Welcome to PF.

It is unlikely that any revolutionary breakthroughs are on the horizon, since compressors are relativley simple devices governed by relatively straightforward thermodynamic principles that determine their efficiency.

Thank you for your reply.

I guess time will show if you were right.
 
Hi DG Air. There are a few interesting areas of development. If you don't mind, I'll change your topic just slightly from "air" compressor to "gas" compressor, meaning any gasseous state.

I think that in order for a new/novel kind of compression system to develop, there has to be a niche for it in industry. Generally, a compressor will fill that niche if the compressor can either:
- Perform some compression task that was previously impossible.
- Perform the compression task at a cost which is lower than conventional machinery. Here, cost can be broken into initial capital costs, maintenance costs and energy costs.

One might think that this cost issue is valid regardless of the 'niche' in which a machine is placed, but what you'll find is that different types of machines dominate in the industry depending on things such as pressure ratio, flow rate and media. For example, reciprocating machinery dominates the lower flow, high compression ratio needs while centrifugal machinery dominates the higher flow, lower compression ratio markets. Similarly, corrosive media, oxidizers and other fluid types are commonly compressed using diaphragm machines. The point being that there isn't a 'one type fits all' machine that can dominate in all areas of the compression industry. Compression equipment will have advantages and disadvantages depending on the process.

If you're interested in recent developments, I can tell you about 2 areas I work in. One is isothermal compression and the second is cryogenic gasseous compression. Machines that can do this are being developed for the hydrogen industry.

Linde has developed something they call an "Ionic Compressor" which uses an ionic fluid instead of a conventional piston. The liquid is forced into a sealed cylinder to compress the gasseous hydrogen and force it out at high pressure. By doing this, they can produce a process which aproximates an isothermal process, and the ionic fluid is used so they can easily separate out any vapors using an electric field. I work for a competitor and recently got a patent on a similar isothermal compressor which is in the development phase.

A second area of development is cryogenic compression of gas. Because hydrogen is commonly distributed as a cryogenic liquid, and because it will slowly boil off inside a vacuum insulated container, there is a need for cryogenic compression which takes advantage of the high density of the cryogenic gas. Rix is a company in California that came up with a two stage machine with no intercooling that could compress gas H2 from 100 to 3000 psi. It was successful and they've been marketing it for about 8 years now. It probably won't go too far because it failed to reach the higher pressures needed for the emerging hydrogen econemy due to very high discharge temperatures. I've recently developed a similar two stage reciprocating compressor that takes cryogenic H2 gas from 100 to 7000 psi for use in hydrogen systems and have a few patents on it.
 

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