##G## is Injective ##\iff ## ## f ## is onto ## Y ## (Lambda Notation)

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between injective functions and onto functions, specifically in the context of a function G and another function f. Participants are exploring the implications of G being injective if and only if f is onto, using lambda notation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of G being injective and f being onto, with attempts to prove the equivalence. Questions arise about the behavior of G with respect to empty sets and specific elements in Y. There are also considerations of contradictions that may arise from assumptions made during the proof.

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Some participants have provided guidance and posed questions that help clarify the reasoning process. There is an exploration of different cases, such as when Y is empty versus when it is not, and how these cases affect the proof. Multiple interpretations are being examined, particularly regarding the definitions and properties of the functions involved.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about the functions and their properties, including the implications of G and f being injective and onto, respectively. The discussion reflects the complexity of the relationships between these functions and the need for careful reasoning.

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Homework Statement
We define the function ## G = \lambda A \in P(Y). f^{-1}[A] ## ,
Prove that for every ## X , Y ## and ## f \in X \rightarrow Y ## :
## G ## is Injective ##\iff ## ## f ## is onto ## Y ##.
Relevant Equations
-Familiarity with Lambda notation ( from lambda calculus )
- ## P(Y) ## is power-set of ## Y ##
My attempt:
## ( \rightarrow ) ## Suppose G is injective. Let ## y \in Y ## be arbitrary, denote A = ## \{ y \} ## so that ## G(A) = G(\{ y \}) = f^{-1}[\{ y \}] = \{ x \in X | f(x) \in \{ y \} \} =\{ x \in X | f(x)= y \} ##.
[ However, now I am stuck because I don't know if ## G(A)= \emptyset## and trying to assume it and find a contradiction also had me getting stuck. If I knew that ## G(A) \neq \emptyset ## I'm practically finished proving this side. Any ideas? ].

## ( \leftarrow ) ## Suppose ## f ## is onto ## Y ##. Let ## A_1 , A_2 \in P(Y) ## be arbitrary. Suppose ## G(A_1) = G(A_2) ## , meaning ## \{ x \in X | f(x) \in A_1 \} = \{ x \in X | f(x) \in A_2 \} ##
[ I'm kinda lost, how do I use the assumption that f is onto in order to continue? ]

Thanks in Advance!
 
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For the injective direction, what is ##G(\emptyset)##? What does that say about ##G(\{y\})##?

For the other direction, if ##f^{-1}(A_1)=f^{-1}(A_2)##, let ##a\in A_1## be an element such that ##a\notin A_2##. What can you say about it?
 
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Ok I think I understand better now after your guidance:
If ## Y = \emptyset ## then it is vacuously true that G is injective ## \iff ## f is onto Y ( If we assume G is injective then it is vacuously true that f is onto Y , and if we assume f is onto Y then it is vacuously true that G is injective ) .
Office_Shredder said:
For the injective direction, what is ##G(\emptyset)##? What does that say about ##G(\{y\})##?
Now Suppose ## Y \neq \emptyset ##.
Since ## f ## is a function ## G( \emptyset ) = f^{-1}[ \emptyset ] = \emptyset ##. If we assume ( in order to get contradiction ) ## G( \{ y \} ) = \emptyset ## then this implies ## \{ y \} = \emptyset ## . Cleary a contradiction since we have ## Y \neq \emptyset ##. Hence ## G(\{ y \}) \neq \emptyset ##.
Office_Shredder said:
For the other direction, if ##f^{-1}(A_1)=f^{-1}(A_2)##, let ##a\in A_1## be an element such that ##a\notin A_2##. What can you say about it?

Assuming ## a \in A_1 ## and ## a \notin A_2 ## then since ## f ## is onto ## Y ## there exists ## x \in X ## s.t. ## f(x) = a \in A_1 ## . Meaning ## x \in f^{-1}[A_1] ## and specifically ## f(x) = a \in A_2 ## ( since we assumed ##f^{-1}(A_1)=f^{-1}(A_2)## then ## x \in f^{-1}[A_1] ## also means ## x \in f^{-1}[A_2] ## and this means ## f(x) = a \in A_2 ## ). So we got a contradiction.
We very similarly contradict the assumption ## a \notin A_1 ## and ## a \in A_2 ##.
Hence we're left with ## a \in A_1 ## and ## a \in A_2 ##. And since ## a ## was arbitrary, ## A_1 = A_2 ## . Hence we just showed ## G ## is an injection.
 
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