What temperature should a bottle be heated to for 1/4th of the gas to leave?

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To determine the temperature required for a quarter of the gas to escape from an open-mouthed bottle initially at 60 degrees Celsius, the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) is applied. The discussion explores two approaches: one considers the volume expansion to 4/3 of the original volume, while the other focuses on the loss of 1/4 of the gas molecules from a fixed volume. It is clarified that if the volume increases, the remaining gas must adjust its temperature accordingly to maintain the equation's validity. The consensus is that the temperature must change in relation to the new volume or the reduced number of gas molecules. Understanding these relationships is crucial for solving the problem mathematically.
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Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.
 
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Amith2006 said:
Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.
PV=nRT

AM
 
Amith2006 said:
Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.

The volume and the number of moles of the gas are not given. How to calculate the temperature?
 
Amith2006 said:
The volume and the number of moles of the gas are not given. How to calculate the temperature?
PV=nRT

There are two ways to approach this. Consider it as equivalent to a volume expansion to 4/3 of the original volume, 1/4 of which is outside the bottle, or consider it as a loss of 1/4 of the number of molecules from a fixed volume.

P is constant. R is constant. In the latter case, V is constant and nf is 3/4 of ni. So how must T change if PV = nRT still holds? In the former case, n is constant but Vf = 4Vi/3. Again, work out how T must change in order for the ideal gas law to hold?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
PV=nRT

There are two ways to approach this. Consider it as equivalent to a volume expansion to 4/3 of the original volume,
I think AM meant to say 5/4, not 4/3.

Edit: In light of subsequent posts, please disregard the above line.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
I think AM meant to say 5/4, not 4/3.
Actually, I meant 4/3. I originally thought 5/4 but changed it. The volume expanding to 4/3 original volume leaves 3/4 of the original gas in the bottle.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Actually, I meant 4/3. I originally thought 5/4 but changed it. The volume expanding to 4/3 original volume leaves 3/4 of the original gas in the bottle.

AM
Yes, that's right...I take that back. The answer is clearly 4/3. As for an approach to solve the problem, I find making V -> 4V/3 less intuitive than making n -> 3n/4 (at fixed V, and ignoring the escaped gas). Nevertheless, by the first approach, my error was in forgetting about the thermal expansion of the escaped gas (by a factor of 4/3).
 
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