Gas Thermometer. Not dependent on gas?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of gas thermometers and the implications of using different gases for calibration. Participants explore whether the choice of gas affects the accuracy and standardization of temperature measurements in gas thermometers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the type of gas used in a gas thermometer does not seem to matter for calibration purposes.
  • Another participant explains that gas thermometers operate based on the ideal gas equation, noting that all gases behave more ideally as pressure approaches zero, which may allow for standardization across different gases.
  • A participant reiterates the importance of using real gases rather than ideal gases, suggesting that deviations from ideal behavior are accounted for by the characteristics of the gas used.
  • There is a clarification sought regarding the statement about gases needing to be real and not ideal, with an emphasis on the fact that all gases are real but behave more ideally under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of using various gases in gas thermometers, with some agreeing on the ideal behavior of gases at low pressures while others seek clarification on the definitions and characteristics of real versus ideal gases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which different gases can be used interchangeably in practice.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which gases behave ideally and the specific characteristics that must be considered when using different gases in thermometers.

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Hello Guys!
I was wondering if anyone can tell me why is it that it doesn't matter what gas we are using in the gas thermometer? Will it still be standardized for calibration if we use different gases?

Thanks.
 
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The gas thermometer calculates temperature by use of the ideal gas equation but whatever the gas used it must be real and not ideal.A series of pressure readings are taken at gradually reducing pressures and these can be used to extrapolate and find out what the calculated temperature approaches as the pressure appproaches zero.The clever thing is that all gases approach ideal behaviour as the pressure approaches zero.If I remember correctly any other deviations from ideal behaviour are accounted for by taking into account the characteristics of the gas used.
 
Dadface said:
The gas thermometer calculates temperature by use of the ideal gas equation but whatever the gas used it must be real and not ideal.A series of pressure readings are taken at gradually reducing pressures and these can be used to extrapolate and find out what the calculated temperature approaches as the pressure appproaches zero.The clever thing is that all gases approach ideal behaviour as the pressure approaches zero.If I remember correctly any other deviations from ideal behaviour are accounted for by taking into account the characteristics of the gas used.

What do you mean when you say that "... gas used it must be real and not ideal"?
 
PFCalvin said:
What do you mean when you say that "... gas used it must be real and not ideal"?

All gases are real gases and, for example ,do not obey Boyles law exactly.Gases,however, become more ideal in their behaviour as the gas pressure tends to zero and provided that other conditions are met.
 

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