Geiger counter unaccounted jump in count rate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an unexpected increase in count rates measured by a Geiger counter for a CS-147 radioactive source during a lab experiment. Participants explore potential causes for the jump in count rates from around 250 counts per 3 seconds to approximately 1500 counts per 3 seconds, despite no changes to the experimental setup.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports a significant increase in count rates for a CS-147 source, questioning potential causes for this change.
  • Another participant suggests the possibility of janitorial access to the lab as a factor, though this is met with skepticism regarding its impact on the radioactive source's activity.
  • A participant references the inverse square law, questioning whether the count rate continued to increase at the new level.
  • It is noted that the source's position relative to the Geiger tube has not changed, and the increased count rate persists.
  • One participant humorously suggests the phenomenon resembles spontaneous emission, while another proposes a change of state within the Geiger tube as a possible explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the cause of the increased count rates, with multiple hypotheses presented but no consensus reached on the explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the lack of changes to the experimental setup and the persistence of the increased count rates, but do not resolve the underlying reasons for the observed phenomenon.

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I am in a lab class and we are currently measuring count rates for a specific source. Yesterday we ran a program that runs 3 second gate times on a CS-147 source with a voltage of 500v running through the detector, and a threshold of .5v on the counter. This 3 second gate time was to be repeated 135,000 times to be done by friday. In the gate time of 3 seconds we were getting an average count rate of around 250 counts per 3 seconds. However overnight this shifted unexpectedly to around 1500 counts prt 3 seconds giving us 2 very defined gaussian peaks at 250 and 1500 in our "gaussian curve". The setup was not touched or changed at all overnight as the room was locked, and upon inspection nothing had changed except now for some reason we get much increased count rates for our same exact source. Does anyone have any idea what could possibly cause this??
Thanks!
 
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Janitors have keys ... do they enter this lab?
 
Yeah we thought about that too, but I can't think of anything they could do to increase the activity of a radioactive source sixfold haha? :/
 
Counts fall off at the inverse square law ... did it continue at the new count rate?
 
Yup. Originally the source was as close to the Geiger tube as possible, and now it's still in the same place, and continues to emit at the increased activity no matter what we do to it. It's almost as if it entered the region of spontaneous emission! Haha
 
Then I would suspect a change of state within the tube - certainly report this to your lab supervisor.
 
Hmmmm interesting, it definitely could be that, thank you so much!
 

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