General quantization of circular motion/spectrum in potential

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The discussion focuses on the quantization of circular motion in a potential defined by U = (F_0)r. Participants explore how to derive the energy spectrum by combining the equations of motion and angular momentum quantization. They emphasize the need to express both radius (r) and velocity (v) in terms of quantum number n, ultimately leading to a total energy expression that incorporates kinetic and potential energy. The conversation highlights the challenge of simplifying the energy expression and ensuring it aligns with known results, such as the emission spectrum formula. The goal is to derive a clear relationship between energy levels and the quantum number n, while clarifying the role of variables like reduced mass.
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The general quantization of motion in circular orbits is obtained by combining the equation of motion ## \frac{mv^2}{r} = |\frac{dU(r)}{dr}| ## with the angular momentum quantization condition ## mvr=n\hbar ## Use this procedure to calculate the spectrum for circular motion in the potential ## U = (F_0)r ##

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I think you need to use one of the series to find the spectrum but I'm quite lost on how to get there.


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I assume you make a substitution from ## mvr=n\hbar ## to quantize the equation of motion. I don't know if you use the given potential at first, and use its derivative ## |F_0| ##?

The form of the answer highly suggests using a series, however there are terms in it that I don't have in the initial conditions so I don't think I know where to go from here.
 
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You can find dU/dr from your expression for U. That leaves you with two equations with two unknowns (r and v). After solving for r and v you can set up the total energy expression.
 
Thanks for your reply.
So the total energy expression is ## E_n = \frac{1}{2}mv_n^2 + F_0r_n ##??

I am still lost after solving for r and v, and substituting them into the E expression. r and v should both be quantized, containing an n term correct? I know how to calculate emission spectra for transitions with the Bohr model but I'm unsure of how exactly to get the spectrum from here. Is it still going to end up as something like ## \frac{hc}{λ} = ΔE ##?
 
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Hakkinen said:
Thanks for your reply.
So the total energy expression is ## E_n = \frac{1}{2}mv_n^2 + F_0r_n ##??

I am still lost after solving for r and v, and substituting them into the E expression. r and v should both be quantized, containing an n term correct?
Yes. So, you will get an expression for E in terms of n. These are the quantized energy levels. You should be able to simplify E by combining the kinetic energy and potential energy into a single term.

I know how to calculate emission spectra for transitions with the Bohr model I'm unsure of how exactly to get the spectrum from here. Is it still going to end up as something like ## \frac{hc}{λ} = ΔE ##?
That's right. Good.
 
Okay, so substituting ## v_n^2 = \frac{F_0r}{m} = \frac{F_0r^2v}{n\hbar} ## and ## r_n = \frac{n\hbarω}{F_0} ## into ## E_n ##

which yields ## E_n = \frac{1}{2n\hbar}(mF_0r_n^2v+2n^2\hbar^2ω) ##

This does not seem convincing with two integral n's. Did I make an arithmetic error? Also it is still not only in terms of n...The answer given is ## λ = \frac{4c}{3}\sqrt[3]{\frac{m\hbar}{u_0^2}}(\sqrt[2/3]{n}-\sqrt[2/3]{m})^-1 ##

u_0 is reduced mass correct? if m under the cubed root is electron mass then m in the series term is just a variable for an energy level?
 
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You need to find expressions for ##r## and ##v## in terms of just ##n, m, \hbar,## and ##F_0##.

For example, to find the expression for ##r##, you can first solve ##mvr = n\hbar## for ##v## in terms of ##r## and then substitute that expression for ##v## in the other equation ##mv^2/r = |dU/dr|##.
 
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