General solution for a PDE with new variables

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of a second-order partial differential equation (PDE) involving two variables, x and y. The original poster introduces new variables, u and v, to simplify the problem, which is a common approach in PDEs.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the method of introducing new variables to transform the PDE. There is discussion on the implications of factoring out a derivative and the nature of the resulting function. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and the assumptions made regarding the function g(y).

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the transformation of the PDE and the implications of their manipulations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the solution and the nature of the functions involved, but there remains a lack of consensus on specific steps and interpretations.

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Participants note that they have not yet covered PDEs in their coursework, which may contribute to their uncertainty in approaching the problem. There are also mentions of potential typos and clarifications needed regarding the relationships between the variables and functions.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution f = f(x,y) of class C2 to the partial differential equation
\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}+4\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x \partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=0
by introducing the new variables u = 4x - y, v = y.


Homework Equations


With "by introducing the new variables" I assume they mean something like this
f=f(x,y)=f(u(x,y), y)=f(4x-y, y)
\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=u_1(x,y)=u_1=4
\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}=u_2(x,y)=u_2=-1
Which means the second derivatives of u = 0.


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if this is the right way to approach the problem, but I'll show what I got so far.

I calculated the partial derivatives according to the first equation and ended up with
f_{11}u_{1}^{2}+4(f_{11}u_{1}u_{2}+f_{21}u_{1})+f_{1}u_{1}=0
u1 = 4, u2 = -1 gives
4f_{21}+f_{1}=4\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x \partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=0
From here, I'm uncertain of how to proceed (if I even used the right method to being with).

NOTE: We haven't gone through PDE's in our calculus course yet (just going through the basics of multivariable calculus at the moment), so I'm only going to assume this can be solved without much/any experience with PDE's.
 
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cwrn said:

Homework Statement


Find the general solution f = f(x,y) of class C2 to the partial differential equation
\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}+4\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x \partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=0
by introducing the new variables u = 4x - y, v = y.

First look at the equation: \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}+4\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x \partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=0

We can factor a \frac{∂}{∂x} out and write it as such: \frac{∂}{∂x}(\frac{∂f}{∂x}+4\frac{∂f}{∂y}+f(x,y)) = 0.

Now what this implies is \frac{∂f}{∂x}+4\frac{∂f}{∂y}+f(x,y) = g(y), where g(y) is some function depending only on y and maybe some constants. From here utilize the fact that \frac{∂f}{∂x} = \frac{∂f}{∂u}\frac{∂u}{∂x} and \frac{∂f}{∂y} = \frac{∂f}{∂u}\frac{∂u}{∂x}+\frac{∂f}{∂v}\frac{∂v}{∂y}.
 
That makes sense. The only thing I don't quite understand is why it equals a function depending only on y.
 
Since you factored out a \frac{∂}{∂x}, this implies the right hand side is constant with respect to a change in x. If this were an ODE, it's implied the value is constant, but because you have a function of two variables, it is implied to be a function that is constant with respect to a change in x:

\frac{∂g(y)}{∂x} = 0
 
jaytech said:
From here utilize the fact that \frac{∂f}{∂x} = \frac{∂f}{∂u}\frac{∂u}{∂x} and \frac{∂f}{∂y} = \frac{∂f}{∂u}\frac{∂u}{∂x}+\frac{∂f}{∂v}\frac{∂v}{∂y}.

I found a mistake here, \frac{∂f}{∂y} = \frac{∂f}{∂u}\frac{∂u}{∂y}+\frac{∂f}{∂v}\frac{∂v}{∂y}, not what it says in the quote.
 
jaytech said:
Since you factored out a \frac{∂}{∂x}, this implies the right hand side is constant with respect to a change in x. If this were an ODE, it's implied the value is constant, but because you have a function of two variables, it is implied to be a function that is constant with respect to a change in x:

\frac{∂g(y)}{∂x} = 0
But how would I go about determining the function g(y) from this?
f(x,y)=g(y)-4\frac{∂f}{∂v}
The equation above doesn't seem like a sufficient answer.
 
The general solution of a pde of nth order has n undetermined functions. This is analogous to an ode of nth order which has n arbitrary constants.

One should also be a bit more careful with the variable substitution. The idea is to write
f(x,y)=F[u(x,y),v(x,y)],
where u(x,y) and v(x,y) are the given functions. Then you have
\partial_x f =\partial_u F(u,v) \partial_x u + \partial_v F \partial_x v,
\partial_y f =\partial_u F(u,v) \partial_y u + \partial_v F \partial_y v.
This you plug into the remaining ODE and express everything in terms of the independent variables u and v, hoping that everything becomes more simple than the original equation, which is indeed the case in this example.
 
Plugging in the values for the partial derivatives gives

\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left[4\frac{\partial F}{\partial v}+F(u,v) \right] = 0 = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}g(y).

Does that mean the general solution is

F(u,v) = g(y)-4\frac{\partial F}{\partial v}

where g(y) and \frac{\partial F}{\partial v} are the undetermined functions?
 
Yes, with u= 4x- y, v= y, u_x= 4, u_y= -1, v_x= 0, and v_y= 1.

Then, by the chain rule, f_x= f_u u_x+ f_v v_x= 4f_u, so f_{xx}= (4f_u)_x= 4(4f_u)_u= 16f_{uu} and f_{xy}= (4f_u)_y= (4f_u)_u u_y+ (4f_u)_v v_y= -4f_{uu}+ 4f_{uv}

So f_{xx}+ 4f_{xy}+ f_x= 16f_{uu}+ 4(-4f_{uu}+ 4f_{uv})+ 4f_u= 16f_{uv}+ 4f_u= 0

We can think of this as (4f_v+ f)_u= 0 which says that 4f_v+ f is not a function of u. It must be equal to some function of v only: 4f_v+ f= g(v). Since that in v only, we can solve it like an ordinary differential equation: the solution to the "homogeneous part" is Ce^{-v/4} and a particular solution to the entire equation is some unknown (because g(v) is unknown) function of v: Ce^{-v/4}+ G(u). Of course, because we are treating u as a constant, the "C" may be a function of u: f(u,v)= F(u)e^{-v/4}+ G(v) where F(u) can be any twice differentiable function of u and G(v) can be any twice differentiable function of v.

Going back to the original x, y variables, since x= 4u- v and y= v, x= 4u- y, 4u= x+ y, and u= (x+ y)/4.
Replacing u with (x+ y)/4 and v with y, f(u,v)= F(u)e^{-v/4}+ G(v) becomes f(x, y)= F((x+y)/4)e^{-y/4}+ G(y).
 
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I understand your point, but the particular solution is still confusing to me. Would you mind further explaining how G(u) becomes G(v)?
 
  • #11
I think he just made a typo.
 

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