General Uncertainty Principle

[agooddog]

Homework Statement

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(oops, that line should end with "just before measurement? (Express your answer in terms of the variances of the two operators)" )

The Attempt at a Solution

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Does this make sense? I know that each operator is Hermitian, so it is an observable. I also know that they are incompatible because they do not commute. So the uncertainty principle must hold. However, the wording of the question makes me question myself... it merely gives the system's state directly before the measurement. Does time dependence matter?

Also, I can calculate the deviation of each operator by themselves, and multiply them together to get the same as the other side of the uncertainty inequality. I suppose the question asks for an answer in terms of the variance of the two operators, so perhaps it is not asking me to confirm both sides.

Any insight would be appreciated.

(sorry for the odd format, I'm still learning the ropes at making equations on the computer)

 

[arkajad]

Also, I can calculate the deviation of each operator by themselves, and multiply them together to get the same as the other side of the uncertainty inequality.

So, you have just noticed in this way that the state given is a "minimal uncertainty state" for you pair of observables - you have equality and it can not be any better. For position and momentum observables these are Gaussian (bell shaped) states. For spin components S_x and S_y these are eigenstates of S_z.

Knowing this what will be the other state for which you will also have equality rather than inequality? Can you guess?

 

[agooddog]

Gut instinct tells me it will be ( 0 1 ) (transposed, of course)

Ah, I did not notice that these represent spins, but merely saw them as (somewhat) arbitrary operators that the Prof made up. I feel a little dumb now realizing how similar they are to the Pauli spin matrices. Although I am glad because I understand the linear algebra behind this all a bit better after struggling through that without being able to picture the physical situation in my mind.

Thanks for the quick feedback!

 

[arkajad]

Gut instinct tells me it will be ( 0 1 ) (transposed, of course)

Not a bad instinct!

 

[paranormal]

I can confirm that your solution makes sense. The General Uncertainty Principle states that the product of the uncertainties in two incompatible observables must be greater than or equal to the expectation value of their commutator. In this case, the two observables are position and momentum, which do not commute. Your solution correctly calculates the uncertainties in these observables and shows that they satisfy the inequality required by the uncertainty principle.

As for the question about time dependence, it is not relevant in this case. The uncertainty principle holds for any state of the system, regardless of time. Therefore, your solution is valid for any state just before measurement.

Additionally, your solution is correct in terms of the variances of the two operators. The uncertainty principle can be expressed in terms of the standard deviations or variances of the observables, as you have done in your solution.

Overall, your understanding and approach to this problem demonstrate a strong understanding of the uncertainty principle and its application to incompatible observables. Keep up the good work!