Solving Geodesic Eq.: Mysterious Conservation Eq. (Sec. 5.4 Carroll)

In summary, Carroll says that the constant ##\epsilon=-g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\lambda}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\lambda}## is constant along the path. This follows from the geodesic equation and the fact that one possible Lagrangian (the most convenient) for the geodesic equation is L=\frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} \dot{x}^{\mu} \dot{x}^{\nu}.
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Mysterious alternative 4-velocity conservation equation "from geodesic equation". Normal equation being ##U_\nu U^\nu=-1##
I'm still on section 5.4 of Carroll's book on Schwarzschild geodesics

Carroll says "In addition, we always have another constant of the motion for geodesics: the geodesic equation (together with metric compatibility) implies that the quantity $$
\epsilon=-g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\lambda}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\lambda}
$$is constant along the path."

I don't see how that comes from the geodesic equation. But it is very similar to ##U_\nu U^\nu=-1## which comes from the metric equation:$$
-d\tau^2=g_{\mu\nu}dx^\mu dx^\nu\Rightarrow-1=g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\tau}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\tau}=g_{\mu\nu}U^\mu U^\nu=U_\nu U^\nu
$$So ##\epsilon## is just a constant of proportionality between the affine parameter ##\lambda## and the proper time ##\tau##.

What have I missed?
 
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He is treating both null geodesics and timelike geodesics. For timelike geodesics you can take ##\lambda = \tau## and get ##\epsilon = 1##, but not for null geodesics. For null geodesics, ##\epsilon = 0##.
 
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It's only valid for affine parameters ##\lambda##, but you can show that you always can parametrize geodesics with affine parameters.
 
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@vanhees71 and @Orodruin are right and I forgot to explicitly say that for null paths ##d\tau=0##. So both variants of the equation are correct with ##\epsilon = 1, \epsilon = 0## for timelike and null paths and they still follow from the metric equation. In full:$$
-d\tau^2=g_{\mu\nu}dx^\mu dx^\nu\Rightarrow-\frac{d\tau^2}{d\lambda^2}=g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\lambda}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\lambda}
$$Timelike: ##\lambda=\tau## $$
-1=g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\tau}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\tau}
$$Null: ##d\tau=0##$$
0=g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\lambda}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\lambda}
$$
I still don't need the geodesic equation to get to these!
 
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This also follows from the fact that one possible Lagrangian (afaik the most convenient one) for the geodesic equation is
$$L=\frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} \dot{x}^{\mu} \dot{x}^{\nu}.$$
Since this is not explicitly dependent on the world-line parameter ##\lambda## (derivatives wrt. ##\lambda## are denoted with a dot), the corresponding "Hamliltonian" is again ##L## itself, i.e., ##L=\text{const}## in this form of the action principle for geodesics you get automatically a parametrization with an affine parameter. For timelike (spacelike) geodesics you can simply set ##L=\pm 1## and for lightlike ones ##L=0##.

The Euler-Lagrange equations are the usual geodesic equations for an affine parametrization,
$$\mathrm{D}_{\lambda} x^{\mu}=\ddot{x}^{\mu} + {\Gamma^{\mu}}_{\nu \rho} \dot{x}^{\nu} \dot{x}^{\rho}$$
with
$$\Gamma_{\mu \nu \rho}=\frac{1}{2} (\partial_{\nu} g_{\mu \rho} + \partial_{\rho} g_{\mu \nu} -\partial_{\mu} g_{\nu \rho}), \quad {\Gamma^{\sigma}}_{\nu \rho} =g^{\mu \sigma} \Gamma_{\mu \nu \rho}.$$
 

1. What is a geodesic equation?

A geodesic equation is a mathematical equation that describes the shortest path between two points on a curved surface. It is used in the field of differential geometry to study the properties of curved spaces.

2. What is the conservation equation in geodesic equations?

The conservation equation in geodesic equations is a result of the symmetry of the metric tensor, which represents the curvature of a space. It states that the energy and momentum of a particle moving along a geodesic path are conserved throughout its motion.

3. What is the significance of solving geodesic equations?

Solving geodesic equations allows us to understand the behavior of particles in curved spaces, which has important implications in fields such as general relativity and cosmology. It also helps us to make predictions and calculations about the motion of objects in the universe.

4. How are geodesic equations related to the concept of gravity?

In general relativity, gravity is described as the curvature of spacetime caused by the presence of mass and energy. Geodesic equations are used to describe the paths that particles follow in this curved spacetime, and therefore play a crucial role in understanding the effects of gravity.

5. Are there any real-world applications of geodesic equations?

Yes, geodesic equations have many practical applications in fields such as navigation, satellite orbit calculations, and global positioning systems. They are also used in the study of planetary motion and the dynamics of celestial bodies.

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