Solving Vanishing Tensor Eqn & Raising All Indices

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The discussion centers around a vanishing tensor equation involving covariant derivatives and the implications of raising indices in the context of tensor calculus. Participants explore whether the vanishing property of the equation holds when all indices are raised, particularly in relation to the properties of the metric tensor.

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  • One participant presents a vanishing tensor equation and questions whether raising the indices preserves the vanishing property.
  • Another participant suggests contracting the original equation with the inverse metric to explore the implications of raising indices.
  • A participant notes that the validity of the transformation depends on the condition that the covariant derivative of the metric tensor is zero.
  • A summary statement asserts that raising indices on a vanishing tensor equation should yield another vanishing tensor equation, provided the metric is non-degenerate.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to proving the property of the vanishing tensor equation when indices are raised. While some agree on the general principle, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific methods and conditions required for the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the argument relies on the assumption that the metric is non-degenerate and that the covariant derivative of the metric tensor vanishes, which may not hold in all contexts.

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Problem with vanishing tensor equation with all indices down. Does it still vanish when they are up?
I have an equation $$
\chi_\nu\nabla_\mu\chi_\sigma+\chi_\sigma\nabla_\nu\chi_\mu+\chi_\mu\nabla_\sigma\chi_\nu=0
$$so we also have$$
g_{\nu\rho}g_{\mu\tau}g_{\sigma\lambda}\left(\chi^\rho\nabla^\tau\chi^\lambda+\chi^\lambda\nabla^\rho\chi^\tau+\chi^\tau\nabla^\lambda\chi^\rho\right)=0
$$Does that mean that$$
\chi^\rho\nabla^\tau\chi^\lambda+\chi^\lambda\nabla^\rho\chi^\tau+\chi^\tau\nabla^\lambda\chi^\rho=0
$$as well?

I can prove in two dimensions that $$
x_i=0\Rightarrow g_{ij}x^j=0\Rightarrow x^j=0
$$as long as the metric is not degenerate.

It would be horrendous to extend the proof to four dimensions and three indices. I think there is some more intuitive way to get from the second equation to the third, but the intuition eludes me.
 
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Well, actually it is true, the key point as you say is that ##g_{\mu\nu}## has an inverse, so instead of doing what you do in equation 2, why not contract the first equation with ##g^{\alpha\nu}g^{\beta\mu}g^{\gamma\sigma}##? What you get from there?

BTW, note that this is true only because ##D_{\alpha} g^{\mu\nu} = 0##, if this were not true then an expression true for covariant vectors wouldn't need to be true for contravariant ones.
 
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George Keeling said:
Summary:: Problem with vanishing tensor equation with all indices down. Does it still vanish when they are up?

Raising all the indexes on the LHS of a vanishing tensor equation with all indices down obviously gives a vanishing tensor equation with all indices up (since "raising an index" on ##0## on the RHS just gives ##0## again). As @Gaussian97 says, this will work as long as the metric is not degenerate (so the inverse metric is well-defined).
 
Brilliant Gaussian, thanks.
 

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