Solving Vanishing Tensor Eqn & Raising All Indices

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem with a vanishing tensor equation with all indices down and whether it still holds true when all indices are raised. It is proven that it does hold true as long as the metric is not degenerate. There is also mention of an intuitive way to get from the second equation to the third, but it is not clear. The conversation ends with the confirmation that the equation is true because of the inverse metric and the note that this only holds if the covariant derivative of the metric is zero.
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Problem with vanishing tensor equation with all indices down. Does it still vanish when they are up?
I have an equation $$
\chi_\nu\nabla_\mu\chi_\sigma+\chi_\sigma\nabla_\nu\chi_\mu+\chi_\mu\nabla_\sigma\chi_\nu=0
$$so we also have$$
g_{\nu\rho}g_{\mu\tau}g_{\sigma\lambda}\left(\chi^\rho\nabla^\tau\chi^\lambda+\chi^\lambda\nabla^\rho\chi^\tau+\chi^\tau\nabla^\lambda\chi^\rho\right)=0
$$Does that mean that$$
\chi^\rho\nabla^\tau\chi^\lambda+\chi^\lambda\nabla^\rho\chi^\tau+\chi^\tau\nabla^\lambda\chi^\rho=0
$$as well?

I can prove in two dimensions that $$
x_i=0\Rightarrow g_{ij}x^j=0\Rightarrow x^j=0
$$as long as the metric is not degenerate.

It would be horrendous to extend the proof to four dimensions and three indices. I think there is some more intuitive way to get from the second equation to the third, but the intuition eludes me.
 
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Well, actually it is true, the key point as you say is that ##g_{\mu\nu}## has an inverse, so instead of doing what you do in equation 2, why not contract the first equation with ##g^{\alpha\nu}g^{\beta\mu}g^{\gamma\sigma}##? What you get from there?

BTW, note that this is true only because ##D_{\alpha} g^{\mu\nu} = 0##, if this were not true then an expression true for covariant vectors wouldn't need to be true for contravariant ones.
 
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George Keeling said:
Summary:: Problem with vanishing tensor equation with all indices down. Does it still vanish when they are up?

Raising all the indexes on the LHS of a vanishing tensor equation with all indices down obviously gives a vanishing tensor equation with all indices up (since "raising an index" on ##0## on the RHS just gives ##0## again). As @Gaussian97 says, this will work as long as the metric is not degenerate (so the inverse metric is well-defined).
 
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Brilliant Gaussian, thanks.
 

1. What is a vanishing tensor equation?

A vanishing tensor equation is an equation that represents the relationship between different tensors, where the resulting tensor is equal to zero. This means that the components of the resulting tensor are all equal to zero, indicating that there is no physical quantity associated with that particular relationship.

2. How do you solve a vanishing tensor equation?

To solve a vanishing tensor equation, you need to use mathematical operations such as addition, subtraction, and multiplication to manipulate the given tensors until the resulting tensor is equal to zero. This often involves raising and lowering indices, as well as using the properties of tensors such as symmetry and antisymmetry.

3. What does it mean to raise all indices in a tensor?

Raising all indices in a tensor means to change the position of the indices from the lower position to the upper position. This is done by multiplying the tensor with the metric tensor, which is used to raise and lower indices in a consistent manner. Raising indices is important because it allows for easier manipulation and comparison of tensors with different index positions.

4. Why is it important to raise all indices in a tensor?

Raising all indices in a tensor is important because it allows for easier manipulation and comparison of tensors with different index positions. It also helps to simplify equations and make them more compact. Additionally, raising indices can reveal important symmetries and relationships between tensors that may not be apparent when the indices are in their original positions.

5. What are some practical applications of solving vanishing tensor equations and raising all indices?

Solving vanishing tensor equations and raising all indices are important techniques in the field of theoretical physics, particularly in the study of general relativity and quantum field theory. These techniques are used to describe the behavior of matter and energy in the universe, and have practical applications in areas such as cosmology, astrophysics, and particle physics. They are also used in engineering, particularly in the design and analysis of complex systems and structures.

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