Why isnt anything done against this?
Couldnt a prisoner sue the prisonsystem for getting aids?
The problem is society because people don't want to know, they don't want to be concerned about those who go to prison. Once you're in prison, you're forgotten, supposedly you deserve what you get.
If we can displace our anger at the criminals, we can get around to treating them humanely.
The question is: "How far should humanity go?". They have been sent to jail as a punishment, for breaking a law. They shouldn't be handled with care like fragile goods. It is not the fault of the prison that there is an internal power struggle going on. The person above had been driving under the influence three times! What if he had killed someone you cared about? Would you want the killer to be treated with respect, have as much free time as possible away from the brutal reality of prisons. I sure wouldn't. If you commit a serious crime, you should pay for it, not be rewarded.
How is humane treatment a reward? It defines our humanity, not theirs. Who is worse, the criminal or one who says he (or she) deserves to be raped in prison? This is not about rewards, it's about having the word 'human' mean something.
I thought it would take a little longer before such comments were posted.
Prison is already a very bad idea to deal with people having been the cause of problems to society. There are probably much better means, but not easy to implement.
Would you go as far as stating the following ? This is actually very good a situation, because it makes prison closer to hell, thus frightening people even more to go there. People will then think longer before they commit a crime, because prison is such a horrible punishment.
you can eazly judge a civilzation by the qualitys of its prisons
USA fails this test by a wide margin
How is that; do you have any proof?
...which makes prison a good idea, at least for now. :tongue:
I agree with that.
Let's start by redefining some basic axioms, shall we?
1. A prison is for containing people that have been sentenced to serve time in prison.
2. A prison is not a reward, but to punish people. People who by society has been deemed to be less humane themselves, as they committed a crime.
3. A prison should constrain the inmates in a sense as keeping them locked up, following certain procedures.
4. Putting someone that has committed a crime behind bars after a conviction is inhumane in the sense that it limits the human rights of the inmate.
In light of the above, your views seems to contradict itself. Should humans be treated inhumane but at the same time be treated humane? Where is the limit?
Prison is to rehabilitate, Moridin. You've assumed what you wanted to show.
What use is a prison if all it does is disillusion those sent there for punishment about the rules that society purports to uphold? It then perpetuates the problem in as much as the prisoner can feel completely outcast by that society and reoffend in other ways because they have even less respect for it than when they went in.
No its not. Its to punish people. Its not a rehab center. I guess he shouldnt have gotten his 3rd DUI.
He deserves what he gets, what an idiot.
These are not the right questions:
The right question is, how stupid can you be? I guess the first two DUI's were not a "clue" for him to straighten up.....
Still doesn't excuse it. All these "he should know better" arguments are utterly moot.
And the 'punishment' is a deterrent in the interest of rehabilitation, or at least it should be, insofar as it works and is humane.
Do you even know what you are talking about ?
How can one claim that, in order for someone to understand that it is not right to drive while under the influence the alcohol, destroying his inner personality is the answer ?
There is something you don't seem to realize : this person commited major mistakes, and instead of being helped, his ability to behave in society is annihilated. Possibly, a stupid young teenager has been turned into a dangerous violent beast. Is this good for society ? This cannot be considered to be the right answer. It simply does not make sens.
I reckon he won't be getting a fourth one.
But come on, he could have gotten in jail for something less important.
Do you realize that some people get in prison by mistake ?
What if you, although innocent, tomorrow get arrested by mistake, and rapped tomorrow night, knowing that nobody will ever consider you were a victim ?
We cannot accept torture in prison. Torture can only be justified at war times. Then of course, I should not bring that here, because it all depends what you call war...
Here's a question: What if prison rape wasn't incidental, but part of the punishment the courts handed down? As in, "you drove under the influence 3 times, we hereby sentence you to 10 years in jail and that you be raped 3 times, once for each offense!" Sounds a lot more cruel now, but guess what? It's the same end result as getting randomly raped!
No, it is not moot. If you repeatedly commit a crime 3 times, dont cry me a river about paying the price. Anyone with half of a brain would know these things happen in jail and avoid going there.
AFAIK, when you get arrested you go into a holding cell, not a prison, until your trial ends. Totally different place.
This is not tortue on the part of the state. It is crimes within the jail. Everyone is held accountable for their actions.
Anyone with half a brain wouldn't drive drunk in the first place.
No, around here you can get a DUI if you have as much as 2 beers. You dont have to be even close to drunk to get screwed.
OK, blame it on the fact that I am not american and speak poorly your language, plus the fact that we have not the same laws... Anyway, it does not change anything. You did not answer my question, because you can't. You know that if you get raped in prison while you are innocent, you will feel that there is something wrong.
Oh, OK, it is within the walls of the jails, not in your backyard.
Did you ever consider that it would be better to execute death-sentenced prisonner on the public place, on Sunday, and that everybody comes and enjoy the show, including children. That is a very good lesson for children if they want to learn that they must behave. It would be much more efficient than execute those people at 6am, where nobody can see it.
You are accountable for thinking that torture in prison should not be looked upon by the government. Nice way to rule a country.
Please, never spend your holiday in some countries (I will not quote), if you get in prison by mistake, it may shake your feelings.
I think I am loosing my nerve, and apologize if you find me rude.
Just because these things are known to occur does not mean that they should be tolerated. It is not tolerated in society in general so why turn a blind eye when it occurs in prison and when it causes more social problems.
While I'll agree that the blood alcohol limit might be a little low in some places, that doesn't justify breaking the law. You have to be pretty dumb to drive with a few beers considering how steep the consequences for DUI are. Even if you are not impaired, what if you get into an accident?
In fact, I have a personal story to illustrate this point. I was driving home late one night; I had not been drinking, but I was very sleepy and I ran a red light. I ended up side-swiping a van that was going through the intersection. Neither me nor the other driver were injured, but my car was totaled (the van survived with a dent).
When the police showed up, they asked both me and the guy I had hit if we had been drinking, and the guy I hit said that he had "a few beers." When he got tested, he was over the legal limit. The accident was completely my fault, but guess who ended up spending the night in prison?
So, the moral is, don't drive unless you are sure you're below the limit, because unforeseen events can completely ruin your life for at least a couple years.
Rape aside, if I am held in prison and I am innocent, I will feel something is wrong, yes?
I never said it is acceptable. But it does happen, and you have to be an absolute idiot to think you can commit a crime 3 times and go to jail with little to no consequence. Now the guy is writting stories about his time in jail and looking for sympathy....none from me.
I have been to countries like that, and what does it have to do with what were talking about? Thats their legal system. Rape is not part of our legal system, so what does that have to do with anything?
Note: this things should not go on, but they do. He knew this, you all know this. That being said you would avoid going to jail. Give me a break.
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