Given HamiltonianFind eigenvalues and eigenfunctions

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The discussion revolves around a Hamiltonian of the form H = al^2 + b(l_x + l_y + l_z), where a and b are constants. Participants are tasked with finding the allowed energies and eigenfunctions of the system, focusing on the implications of angular momentum theory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to complete the square on the Hamiltonian and relates it to angular momentum operators, suggesting eigenvalues based on established theory. Some participants question the validity of this approach and suggest testing specific cases, such as l=1, to verify results. Others express confusion regarding the method proposed and the implications of non-commuting operators.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding testing specific cases and reorienting the coordinate system, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's assumptions or calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of working with the Hamiltonian without specific values for l and the implications of the non-commuting nature of certain operators in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


We have the hamiltonian H = al^2 +b(l_x +l_y +l_z)
where a,b are constants.
and we must find the allowed energies and eigenfunctions of the system.

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I tried to complete the square on the given hamiltonian and the result is:
H = a\mathcal{L} ^2 +\frac {3}{4} \frac {b^2}{a}

Where \mathcal{L} ^2 here is the new operator "of angular momentum" with components :
\mathcal{L} ^2=(\mathcal{L} _x +\mathcal{L} _y +\mathcal{L} _z)
\mathcal{L} _x=(l_x + \frac {b}{2a}), \mathcal{L} _x=(l_x + \frac {b}{2a}), \mathcal{L} _x=(l_x + \frac {b}{2a})

I calculated all the commutators of (\mathcal{L}^2_x),(\mathcal{L}_x),(\mathcal{L}_y),(\mathcal{L}_z),(\mathcal{L}_+),(\mathcal{L}_-)
and i found the same results from angular momentum theory.

So i assumed that the eigenvalues here are ħl(l+1)+ \frac {3}{4} \frac {b^2}{a}
from the eigenvalues equation Hf = λf

and since we have the same theory for "Big L" of angular momentum. We have the same eigenvalues
for (\mathcal{L}^2 , \mathcal{L}_z)≡ (ħl(l+1), ħm
And about the eigenfunctions we have the spherical harmonics Y_l^m
Is this corrrect or i lost on the way?

Thnx in adv.
 
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You might want to test out your idea for the ##l=1## case (referring to ##\hat{L}^2## in the original Hamiltonian). It should be much work to write down the 3x3 matrix representing ##\hat{H}## explicitly and diagonalize it. Then you can see if you get the results you expect.
 
new calculations showed that [\mathcal{L}^2,\mathcal{L}_+]\neq0 does not commute, so i don't see how this process can help.

Vela i don't understand.

Whats the method you are saying i must follow.
 
I didn't suggest a method to solve the problem. I said you should try a relatively concrete example to see if your results panned out since you were wondering if your logic was valid. If you were to look at the case ##l=1##, you can use the 3x3 matrices that represent ##\hat{L}^2, \hat{L}_x, \hat{L}_y, \hat{L}_z## in the usual basis and calculate the matrix representing ##\hat{H}## explicitly. Then you could simply find the eigenvalues of that matrix and compare them to what you think they should have been based on your other calculation. If they didn't match, you know you made a mistake somewhere.

I haven't thought about the problem, much less worked it out, so take this with a grain of salt. I noticed we can express the Hamiltonian as
$$\hat{H} = a\hat{L}^2 + b\vec{n}\cdot\vec{L}$$ where ##\vec{n} = (1, 1, 1).## The Hamiltonian appears to pick out ##\vec{n}## as a preferred direction, so perhaps reorienting the coordinate system to point along that direction would be fruitful.
 
if we use the Hamitlonian operator on the YLM basis we get
\hat{H}|Y_l^m> = \dfrac{b}{a}(1-i)l_+ + \dfrac{b}{2}(1+i)l_- + al_z(l_z + \dfrac{b}{a} )|Y_l^m> =
c_-\dfrac{b}{a}(1-i) Y_l^(m+1) +c_+\dfrac{b}{a}(1+i) Y_l^(m-1) + (a\hbar m^2 + b\hbar m)Y_l^m

So i sould demand that the Y_l^(m-1), Y_l^(m+1) must be zero so that the hamiltonian operator gives us exact energies and the exact eigenvalues of angular momentum.
 
Also I've seen a lot of exercises with angular momentum that we use\<a href="http://latex.wikia.com/wiki/Hat_(LaTeX_symbol)" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">hat{n</a>}l
But in general case with no given value of l i can't see how i can work this out.
 
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