Given the concurrent forces, Determine the resultant

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The problem involves determining the resultant of four concurrent forces given in different directions and magnitudes. The forces include a force at an angle, a vertical force, and two forces represented in vector form.

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  • Participants discuss converting forces into component form using unit vectors. There are attempts to clarify how to handle the components of forces F3 and F4, with some questioning the interpretation of directions and angles.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts to calculate components and seeking clarification on vector representation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the addition of components and the interpretation of forces in three-dimensional space.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and assumptions related to the unit vectors and the orientation of the forces in the coordinate system. Participants express uncertainty about the z-axis components and the overall approach to finding the resultant vector.

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Homework Statement


F1 = 10N at 37 N of W
F2 = 15N North
F3 = 14 N toward the negative z-axis
F4 = (8i + 12j + 4k)N
Find the resultant

The Attempt at a Solution


I use 10cos37/sin37 for F1
I use 15cos0/sin0 for F2[/B]
But I don't how to use F3
and F4

Please help thankyou guys!
 
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Write all three as ## \ \ a \; {\bf \hat\imath} + b\; {\bf \hat \jmath} + c\;{ \hat k}\ \ ## and add up the components.
Make a sketch.
 
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BvU said:
Write all three as ## \ \ a \; {\bf \hat\imath} + b\; {\bf \hat \jmath} + c\;{ \hat k}\ \ ## and add up the components.
Make a sketch.
hmmm I'll get the magnitude of it?
I got 14.9666
 
Help pls thankyouuuu
 
hiineko said:
hmmm I'll get the magnitude of it?
I got 14.9666
Not right.

Please follow the suggestion of BvU.

Show your work.
 
SammyS said:
Not right.

Please follow the suggestion of BvU.

Show your work.
Can you please guide me in understanding f3 and f4? Thankyou!
 
hiineko said:
Can you please guide me in understanding f3 and f4? Thankyou!
I assume the unit vectors are aligned as follows:

## \hat{i} \ ## points East.

## \hat{j} \ ## points North.

## \hat{k} \ ## points upward.

Is that what is meant for F3 & F4?
 
SammyS said:
I assume the unit vectors are aligned as follows:

## \hat{i} \ ## points East.

## \hat{j} \ ## points North.

## \hat{k} \ ## points upward.

Is that what is meant for F3 & F4?

Soooooo I'll just
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hiineko said:
Soooooo I'll just
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That's a rather incomplete description of what to do.

Add all the vectors component by component.

What form should you use for the resultant?
 
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SammyS said:
That's a rather incomplete description of what to do.

Add all the vectors component by component.

What form should you use for the resultant?

Okay wait
 
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SammyS said:
Waiting ...
Btw how could I get the component of F3 and F4 that is my question , I know how to get the compnent of F1 and F2 you use xcosΘ and xsinΘ.
 
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hiineko said:
Btw how could I get the component of F3 and F4 that is my question , I know how to get the compnent of F1 and F2 you use xcosΘ and xsinΘ.
They are already given.
 
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SammyS said:
They are already given.
So you mean to say
i = x component
j = y component
k = z component
?
 
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hiineko said:
So you mean to say
i = x component
j = y component
k = z component
?
Yes
 
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SammyS said:
Yes
F3 = 14 N toward the negative z-axis what about this? Can you please translate this to me
 
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hiineko said:
F3 = 14 N toward the negative z-axis what about this? Can you please translate this to me
What would be your interpretation of 5N to the West?, for example.
 
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SammyS said:
What would be your interpretation of 5N to the West?, for example.

I say it as 5N 0 degrees from the x-axis
 
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hiineko said:
I say it as 5N 0 degrees from the x-axis
How about 180° ?

In other words, that's 5N in the direction of -x . that is to say, toward the negative x axis.
 
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SammyS said:
How about 180° ?

In other words, that's 5N in the direction of -x . that is to say, toward the negative x axis.

Okay so "F3 = 14 N toward the negative z-axis" - What degree? Bc I'm aware of x-axis and y-axis. But I have problems dealing with z-axis
 
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hiineko said:
Okay so "F3 = 14 N toward the negative z-axis" - What degree? Bc I'm aware of x-axis and y-axis. But I have problems dealing with z-axis
Like you said in post #13:
## \hat{i} \ ## is in h x direction, etc.

The vector ##\displaystyle \ (5\hat i-7\hat j+3\hat k\, )\text N\ ## has an x-component of 5N, a y-component of -7N, and a z-component of 3N .
 
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SammyS said:
Like you said in post #13:
## \hat{i} \ ## is in h x direction, etc.

The vector ##\displaystyle \ (5\hat i-7\hat j+3\hat k\, )\text N\ ## has an x-component of 5N, a y-component of -7N, and a z-component of 3N .

So you mean to say that F3 has x-component of 0, y-component of 0, z-component of -14?
 
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hiineko said:
So you mean to say that F3 has x-component of 0, y-component of 0, z-component of -14?
Yes, -14 Newtons.
 
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SammyS said:
Yes, -14 Newtons.
Okay I will put the components of F1 F2 F3 F4 before I add it all

F1 = Σx = 10cos37 = 7.99; Σy = 10sin37 = 6.018
F2 = Σx = 15cos90 = 0; Σy = 15sin90 = 15
F3 = sqrt(0^2+0^2+(-14)^2) = 14
F4 = sqrt(8^2+12^2+4^2) = 14.9666

right?
 
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hiineko said:
Okay I will put the components of F1 F2 F3 F4 before I add it all

F1 = Σx = 10cos37 = 7.99; Σy = 10sin37 = 6.018
F2 = Σx = 15cos90 = 0; Σy = 15sin90 = 15
F3 = sqrt(0^2+0^2+(-14)^2) = 14
F4 = sqrt(8^2+12^2+4^2) = 14.9666

right?
You have found the x & y components of F1 and F2. the z component of each being 0.

The magnitudes of F3 and F4 are correct, but hardly needed.

To find the resultant of all 4 of these forces, add the respective components.

I presume you are to leave the result in the form with i, j, k unit vectors.
 
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SammyS said:
You have found the x & y components of F1 and F2. the z component of each being 0.

The magnitudes of F3 and F4 are correct, but hardly needed.

To find the resultant of all 4 of these forces, add the respective components.

I presume you are to leave the result in the form with i, j, k unit vectors.

I got it right? :) Means I just have to add of these and that is the final answer the resultant?
 
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hiineko said:
I got it right? :) Means I just have to add of these and that is the final answer the resultant?
That sentence is kind of garbled, but I gather that you have gotten the answer.

I hope you understand it.
 

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