Graduate Programs Not Requiring the GRE Good or bad?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of graduate programs not requiring the GRE for admission. Participants explore whether this absence is a negative indicator of program quality or simply a reflection of admission committee preferences. The conversation touches on the role of the GRE in evaluating student capabilities, the potential need for alternative measures, and the broader implications for applicants.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the absence of the GRE is a bad sign, suggesting it might indicate a reliance on other criteria for assessing student capability.
  • Others argue that the GRE serves as a counterbalance to GPA, allowing schools to admit students who may have lower GPAs than expected based on their knowledge.
  • A participant expresses concern that programs not requiring the GRE may lead to a less rigorous admission process, comparing it to admitting underprepared students.
  • Some participants propose that a better assessment method could be a department-specific test rather than a standardized GRE, which they view as a money-making scheme rather than a true measure of knowledge.
  • There are differing opinions on the effectiveness of the GRE, with some asserting that it emphasizes test-taking strategies over actual knowledge, while others share personal experiences of success with the GRE through traditional study methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether the absence of the GRE is beneficial or detrimental. Some see it as a potential risk, while others defend the decision as a reflection of evolving admission standards.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the GRE's role in admissions, the potential for alternative assessment methods, and the implications of relying solely on GPA. There is also a discussion about the financial aspects of standardized testing.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering graduate programs, educators involved in admissions processes, and those interested in the evolving standards of academic evaluation may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
Arsenic&Lace said:
I don't know if there is a caveat here

That's why I specified EE. There are a bunch of associates programs in "lighting engineering" and the like. To get a feeling, the number of schools in Indiana with a BS in EE and no MS or higher appears to be three: Indiana Tech, Valpo and Rose-Hullman.
 
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  • #32
Arsenic&Lace said:
Also Vanadium I didn't read the fine print, but this link claims there are 1,074 accredited engineering programs in the US:
http://www.educationnews.org/career-index/engineering-schools/

I don't know if there is a caveat here but with those numbers I would think the St. Cletus College problem is present as well.

I bolded the word accredited. The reason professional schools go through an accreditation process is specifically to avoid the St. Cletus College problem.

So that, perhaps, is another option rather than the GRE for physics programs... get an institution like the APS or even ABET to accredit physics programs and then no on ewould have to take the GRE. But that comes with a whole lot of complications including introducing restrictions on an academic, non-professional subject, as well as cost. It's probably easier to just get incoming students to write the GRE in most cases.
 
  • #33
Arsenic&Lace said:
ASU has a very strong EEE department as far as I understand, especially semi-conductor engineering.
Thanks for the input. I guess I shouldn't be too worried about whether or not the GRE is required then for the embedded systems program.
 

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