Gravitational Energy Released from Sphere

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The discussion focuses on calculating the gravitational energy released when a sphere of constant density is formed by accreting matter from an infinite distance. The gravitational force acting on the sphere is described by the equation F_g=GMm/r^2, but the potential energy approaches zero at infinity, leading to confusion about energy loss during accretion. Participants emphasize the need to visualize the problem as the gradual growth of the sphere through the addition of infinitesimally thin shells of material. By considering the mass of the sphere at radius r and the gravitational potential energy lost by each shell as it falls in, the total energy can be determined through integration. Understanding these concepts is crucial for solving the problem effectively.
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"How much energy is released when a sphere of constant density (p) with mass (M) and radius (R) is put together gravitationally? What you should do is to think of the energy released when a shell is brought in from infinite distance (where potential energy of zero) to the current surface of radius r of the sphere. What is the gravitational force on a sphere as it moves inwards, what is the differential mass of the infinitesimally thin shell, what distance is it brought to, and hence what is the differential energy for bringing in the shell? Then, integrate the differential energy over radius to get total energy,

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am pretty lost on the solution.

I have: F_g=GMm/r^2

Integrated from infinity to r (GMm/r^2)
This, however, gives potential, energy, which is 0.Any help would be appreciated, I'm very lost on where to even begin on the problem.

Thanks!
 
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Do you understand the question?
 
CedarPark said:
This, however, gives potential, energy, which is 0.
Gravitational potential energy, by convention, is zero at infinity. On moving from infinity to radius r, it must have lost some and now be negative. Please post you working.
 
PeroK said:
Do you understand the question?
Not really;
I understand there is a relationship between work and the volume of an object. I'm struggling to visualize the problem though.
 
CedarPark said:
Not really;
I understand there is a relationship between work and the volume of an object. I'm struggling to visualize the problem though.
The scenario is that a sphere starts from nothing and gradually grows by accretion of matter that is falling in from very far away. To make life simpler, we consider one thin uniform shell falling in at a time. So suppose at some stage it has reached radius r. Assume some density for the accreted material, and that this does not change. Find the mass of the sphere so far, and hence the gravitational potential at its surface.
Now let a shell of radius r and thickness dr accrete. What is the mass of this shell? What GPE did it lose in falling in from infinity?
 
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